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Offline Mox

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« Reply #105 on: May 15, 2000, 02:58:00 PM »
Keep the "C" but review it's guns AGAIN and AGAIN.

I'm not for removing ANY planes but I feel there needs to be some game balance and the Hog C's guns have ALWAYS seemed WAY over powered.

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« Reply #106 on: May 15, 2000, 03:12:00 PM »
 
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stsanta... I would love to "fly along" with you in your g10.   Can you join up with someone in this sim?  I mean, can a person co-pilot or observe?
lazs

Laz, yes you can, but  you cannot  film the event (at least the last  time I tried), only pilot can film it.

Just type .join XXXX (XXX is pilot name)


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« Reply #107 on: May 15, 2000, 03:28:00 PM »
lazs, sure feel free to join me. Be aware; I am not a very good pilot, but that shouldn't count since all I want to do is demonstrate that it takes a number of hits from close range to down a fighter, right?

Well, provided I get near one  

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« Reply #108 on: May 15, 2000, 04:33:00 PM »
Flying observer isn't going to work.  Latency effects are going to make it so that you can follow the maneuvers but the shooting will be totally goofy.

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« Reply #109 on: May 15, 2000, 04:43:00 PM »
I've thought this over,,, "Thinking" removing the range icon, you ment removing the whole icon itself. I wouldn't like this , because the range icon gives back for the lack of depth perception on a flat screen.  Then i closed my eyes and thought about the icons some more. And Although i like the game atmosphere more than a realistic atmosphere, I wouldn't mind trying out the game with just the range icon gone.

I like the F4 in the game, it should stay, I rarely fly it , but i do take advantage of it's Ground assualt capacities. My kill death against the Hog is about 1 to 1, mostly they jump me when i am already engaged ( but isn't that the way they are supposed to be flown?)I can't Blame the plane here, If i ever see a slow and low Hog it's pork dinner tonite. Although it is used to HO alot, oh well i HO in my niki also and win most of those. The Hog isn't that much of an "uber" plane or it's cannons ( to be more politically correct) If it was, the sky would be littered with them, and that is NOT the case. Flown right it's and Awsome plane ( it was ) flown wrong, it makes a fast coffin, Just like any other plane, no more, no less. You just need to learn All the planesets modeling , and know their weaknesses and strenghts, You don't turn fight in a pony against a spit, do you?

I say UP the tank strenght against 50's 20mm etc. leave it alone for Bombs, and other tank shells.

As far as the terrain,,,, Hmm my thoughts i HAVE ALWAYS WANTED, In here and a few other syms....

I like the new terrain , but miss the old one , where you where forced to fight in the canyons and valleys ( this eliminated alot of the gettng jumped while you were engaged.)

I took a snapshot and redid a small sector, i added train bridges and  a few other obsticles for using as some real precistion fighting.... How do you post the picture here?


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« Reply #110 on: May 15, 2000, 04:44:00 PM »
Keep the F4U-C. BUT the same thing was happening in Warbirds as is happening in AH. The solution was to switch to a rolling plane set. I want to see other planes that were rare and lethal(the TA152,Do335,FW 190D,ME410,P-47(all with optional armaments, too!). But you have to be careful what planes you release into a main arena with early war planes you want people to experience and fly. The F4U-C was probably released too early(before numbers of players(skilled players,too) were high enough for a rolling plane set ,or other planes that would have equal firepower and ability were released with enough variety to compete equally with a range of differently skilled pilots. The early war planes would still be "ass-out" in one arena. Yes only HTC can decide when they have the numbers to create seperate arenas for late war planes(so you don't have to wait for weeks to fly your favorite),or go to a rolling plane set. I don't want to wait three weeks to fly my favorite plane. But, I flew many planes that I couldn't fly(and live long) in the main arena because of the rolling plane set.How do you think the A6 Zero coming out is going to fair in this late war atmosphere. Who will want(refering to newer pilots)to fly it more than once when any stray round sends you into "zippo" mode. Newer pilots who lack the skill to survive in a favored plane are going to go to the plane that they perceive as "Uber" whether it is true or not.I dont want to fly against one type of plane all of the time. Without new players your game is gone and with it your "I'm the man" position.
The solution is to make a smaller arena with all of the planes in it. And an arena with a rolling plane set.This would alleviate the need for an historical arena until the numbers are up. That way every plane can be experienced in a more equitable environment. The historically minded people are satisfied. And everyone should have what they want. Lets not beat around the bush. I like AH. But without capitalizing on its early release and getting its player numbers up quickly it is going to be hurt by WW2 online. AH can ill afford any kind of strife within its player community. We all want to have fun. It is not easy to balance an online game. Be part of a solution people. Not part of a battle that only hurts the fun your going to have by posturing (with your ego in hand) and taking a stand at a point in a sims life when it is still not completely developed. The strides made in such a short time are too easily forgotten by people who play alot. Six months is not a long time. I am ussually polite and dont cause problems over things I do in a "game". It is a game. I get very pissed by "people or children more likely",talking toejam about someone when they have the anonymity of thousands of miles of fiber optic lines to feel secure. Flaming someone for puttimg up an honest opinion about a "game" issue is as cowardly as releasing a virus. Wait until a convention, then rear up on your pissed soaked hind legs look them in the eye and talk your toejam.       IMHO Berserkr

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« Reply #111 on: May 15, 2000, 05:05:00 PM »
 I loved the 1c when if first came out, but  I realy thought the novelty would burn out by now.  Those cannon just plane SUCK ARSE. and I couldn't tell you when the last time I saw a f4u-1d was.  Hmm thousands of 1d's made and 200 1c's, yet all we see in the air is 1c's.

 I don't like to remove planes either, but I look at it like this.....  I wouldn't want to lose any part/parts of my body, but if I had a tumor I'd get it cut out QUICK.  The f4u-1c to me is a big hairy malignant tumor and is KILLING this game for me.  I hope they get rid of it and fast  

  I also hope some people show up in the SEA tonight so I don't have to fly alone  

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« Reply #112 on: May 15, 2000, 07:12:00 PM »
Please do not remove it. That's how I warm up everynite for gunnery practice in my LaV....The C makes a perfect drone  

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« Reply #113 on: May 30, 2000, 08:54:00 AM »
Please look at the modeling of the guns do not remove the plane.  A squadmate has proved these are laser cannons he has taken out fighter hangers with 2 passes with the guns.  I asked him to send the movie to Hitech.  Hope he does it

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« Reply #114 on: May 31, 2000, 01:19:00 AM »
 
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Okay, I despise the F4U-1C of all aircraft in AH, but I don't think its capabilities are far from reality, or the truth.  Below, is a list of various aircraft in AH followed by their armament's salvo weight, which is total projectile mass per second:[list=1]
  • Fw 190A-8 (w/115g MG151), 6.71kg/sec
  • F4U-1C, 6.50kg/sec
  • Fw 190A-8 (w/92g MG151), 5.57kg/sec
  • Spit IX, 4.46kg/sec
  • P-38L, 4.05kg/sec
  • F4U-1D, 3.64kg/sec
  • Spit V, 3.46kg/sec
  • C.205 (w/92g MG151), 3.12kg/sec
  • La-5FN, 2.56kg/sec
  • Bf 109G-6 (w/115g MG151), 2.46kg/sec
  • Bf 109G-6 (w/92g MG151), 2.17kg/sec[/list=a]

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But F4u-C has unbelievable flying characterics, where FW190A-8 is more like elephant compared to F4u...

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« Reply #115 on: May 31, 2000, 01:21:00 AM »
Just wait for Zeke to come *grins*
That will be a REAL disturbance in good fights (though, I think that N1K2 still stays as that most stupidest plane of all, because its fast and turns good)
Now that thing will catch you up cold when going slow.

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« Reply #116 on: May 31, 2000, 08:45:00 AM »
It is easy to see from this post that the loudest protest come from people that want the german plane set to have the best weapons/ammo or something.  It makes me wonder why I can fly a 109g10 or a 205 and
not even worry about a f4u nearby (unless
it's high)and some people seem to think it's
ruining the game.  I'm not that good at the
game.  I spend most of my AH time in a F4u and know it's limits (which are easy, I repeat, EASY to outfly in most planes)so this
whole discussion is very confussing to me.
The most exiciting thing in this game for me is to zoom in at 550, line up a shot (this
isn't an easy thing to do either, you fw pilots should know this too) and blast a plane.

1 ping kills???  You guys just aren't paying attention or something.  I've been 1 ping dead by every plane in here, even gunners on bombers.  So this point is no point at all. Even the 303s on the spit thru the cockpit will kill you fast.

I'll keep flying my beloved Big Blue as long as it's here. It was, and is the best BnZ in the game.  (well P51 maybe ) And if you LW types want to strafe my chute for it?  Well that just shows your poor character.

Keep the Big Blue and the talons of Death!
(don't forget that the 20mm work on chutes too, if you guys start this, IT will ruin the game, not f4u1c)

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« Reply #117 on: May 31, 2000, 09:19:00 AM »
 
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It is easy to see from this post that the loudest protest come from people that want the german plane set to have the best weapons/ammo or something.  It makes me wonder why I can fly a 109g10 or a 205 and
not even worry about a f4u nearby (unless
it's high)and some people seem to think it's
ruining the game.  I'm not that good at the
game.  I spend most of my AH time in a F4u and know it's limits (which are easy, I repeat, EASY to outfly in most planes)so this
whole discussion is very confussing to me.
The most exiciting thing in this game for me is to zoom in at 550, line up a shot (this
isn't an easy thing to do either, you fw pilots should know this too) and blast a plane.

1 ping kills???  You guys just aren't paying attention or something.  I've been 1 ping dead by every plane in here, even gunners on bombers.  So this point is no point at all. Even the 303s on the spit thru the cockpit will kill you fast.

I'll keep flying my beloved Big Blue as long as it's here. It was, and is the best BnZ in the game.  (well P51 maybe   ) And if you LW types want to strafe my chute for it?  Well that just shows your poor character.

Keep the Big Blue and the talons of Death!
(don't forget that the 20mm work on chutes too, if you guys start this, IT will ruin the game, not f4u1c)

Nemo, a snapshot of a 109 (20mm,not 30) wont kill you with one ping. A 190 can make you some damage with one ping, but 98% times wont kill you.

A snapshot of a f4uc will break your tail, destroy a wing or kill an engine nearly 75% times. If you ever hear a ping from a F4U you can be sure that you are half dead.

I dont hear a single whine about typhoons, tho. Why?...because, say what you say, Nemo, F4U is a deadly plane by itself. It is like Fw190...in fact is better fighter than Fw190 in all except acceleration (and not by a far difference).  Typhoon is bassicaly a pig.

So dont come and say that F4U isnt a good plane. Fw190 is feared althoug is a pig. F4U is way better and has turbolasers.If I'd given the choice to fly a 109G10 with 600 30mm rounds with hispano ballistics, or 60 Hispano 20mm with Mk108 ballistics I'd always fly Hispano 20mm (even with 30mm ballistics,yes). That round packs an unrealistic punch.

Tune down the damned rocket launchers ,fer god's sake!!! Hangars need 3000lbs of bombs and they are destroyed in 2 passes of CannonHawg!!!!

Or I'll quit   (hehehe)


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« Reply #118 on: May 31, 2000, 09:39:00 AM »
Don't remove it.

Tweak the guns down some.  IMHO the cannons are the C model are the absolute worst thing about Aces High.  Complete game imbalance for a plane that barely did anything in the war.  

Tone down the guns and let the Quakers have a real challenge.  Ohh wait I wasn't supposed to call anyone names..  

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« Reply #119 on: May 31, 2000, 09:58:00 AM »
 
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It is easy to see from this post that the loudest protest come from people that want the german plane set to have the best weapons/ammo or something.  

Nice try on trying to bring that rubbish from AGW over here (Lazs your best friend?) but most of the LW squadrons here fly ALL planes in the set, exception being scenario's.

Simple fact is as soon as the F4U-1C was implemented, there were  crys of foul on the guns, and HTC has detected something funny with them.


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