Place yer Votes: Remove the F4U-1c ??

[Wraith]

I agree. The ONLY thing that makes planes so good is not their guns, but the fact that the pilot can "magically" know the distance.

Remove the Range icon and you will see all these problems dissapear...and for once, we might see some REAL flying instead of the usual "oh he's higher than me and at 4k range, ill climb to near stall, wait till he's inside 1.2 k and shoot him up with my cannons!" syndrome everyone hates.

So much realism here..and yet we get space-age laser ranging gear! Im sure grandpa would've LOVED to have one of those when he was on the cockpit  

[SnakeEyes]

Well, don't really know how the AH F4U-1c shoots.  However, I do know that I thought the guys in WB who complained about the cannon-armed F4U-4 were a buncha crybabies who didn't know how to avoid a HeadOn pass.  I suspect the same is true here with regard to those complainin' about the -1c.

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[Citabria]

you see the problem with only firing up close in ww2 was not because the bullets could not damage out at 1000 yards. but because the pilots didn't have the range info to know how much lead to pull to hit that far out!


death to range icons

[Pongo]

Well I am a crybaby..But you should give it a try for a while. It really hits you how weird it is not when they get you..but when you fly it. The HO from a 1c can of course be avoided. But some of the Fokker DVII shots that you can make hangin on your nose are increadable. The plane stayes very pointable in a near hammerhead. Nasty combo with those cannons and the range info and lots of ammo. But tell yourself that the people that have concernes about it are whiners if it makes it eiser for you. I guess the alternative is that it makes you feel cool to call people whiners...

Remember the HS before their first correction..I could easily kill b17s by the time the range indicated 1k... the bomber pilots that didnt like that were whiners.
they should have learned the anti BVR manuver to avoid me...

[StSanta]

SnakeEyes, it's not the HO's I object to. They are avoidable, although aoiding them sometimes cost you E or position.

It's the magical One Ping, One Death bit that concerns me. That and the fact that due to these fantastic guns, I really fight the F4UC in a MUCH more different, and difficult, way than I do with say the P-51. With the latter, I can try barrel rolls, quick breaks, horisontal ant vertical scissors and have a reasonable chance of survival since I can let him in just a little bit closer and still survive a ping or two.

If it's the plane people love, then the D is basically is the same one. If it is the guns, which I suspect is the case, then why not just say so?

These are my observations. They aren't the words of a crybaby, SnakeEye. Maybe if you wished to adress the points I've made  in this and other posts this discussion could go forward. It's quite obvious that you apply the WB analogy to those who have questions about the C in this game.

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[Hristo]

One of the solutions would be to make cannon Hog a low availability plane. Historically. Some 200 or so were produced, and they were all retrofitted with .50s later, afaik. Here it has more sorties in a week than it was its whole historical record  

Once we get uber planes in limited numbers, just put cannon Hog with them.

Some 1400 262s were produced. Some 30 000 109s and some 200 cannon Hogs.

So, for every cannon Hog available 7 262s and 150 109s should be available. And 0.75 Ta 152s  

[crabofix]

Dont remove the plane!!!!!

Make the hispanos a little less "uber" or upgrade all other 20mm with exploding shells.
The debatte on Hisp/mausers shows that the hispanos are way way overmodelled on the F4u**c1.



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[Vermillion]

 

Make the hispanos a little less "uber" or upgrade all other 20mm with exploding shells.
The debatte on Hisp/mausers shows that the hispanos are way way overmodelled on the F4u**c1.

Ummm sorry Crabofix, but all other cannons do have exploding shells.

And the debate on Hisp/mausers has shown that they should be quite a bit more lethal than the mauser, unless you have been reading a thread that I have missed.

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Vermillion
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[This message has been edited by Vermillion (edited 05-14-2000).]

[-lazs-]

SnakeEyes... I think you will find that, just as in WB, the majority of the people complaining are of the "wife beating girly grey" persuassion.  They want to have the only snap shot kill, don't blow your e planes in the game.  Who can blame them.   If you read the TAIS report on testing between the Manly Blue Hog and Hellcat against a captured eurotrash 190A-5 U4 you will see that Hogs have Allready been undermodeled for gameplay.
lazs  

[air_spro]

Shit I suck with that plane too !!!!   (cannon hog) Seems even with so called "uber" guns u still have to hit the target ???  lol , Well maybe I suck with them all ?

No vote here , I like the Typhoon best though   . Speed baby speed .

c ya's  spro

[Ripsnort]

Keep the 1C, remove it's easy mode cannons, like funked said.

I have film where F4U-1C con is D950 yards on my six, and I'm in a historically good armoured FW190-A8, 1 ping, 1 shell, Poof! Dead.  Email if you want to view it.

Also, saw (1) F4U-1C take out 4 bombers, all with good gunners, one pass a piece...uber cannons!



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[Ghosth]

I beg all to consider a 3rd alternative.

Is it the Hispano's themselves that are so incredible? Or the ammo that is being modeled?????

Give the Hispano's the option to carry either AP ammo (for ground attack) or HE ammo (for fighting planes, bombers)

The HE ammo should NOT penetrate armor, and the AP ammo could take down a plane, but not as well as HE since there is no explosive componant.  

Make them choose one or the other, then handicap them accordingly.

The other thing to remember, is that the Hispano was the TOP all around 20mm cannon in WWII.

Do NOT rememove the 1-c from the game. DO recheck the figures on the Hispano's

[Fatty]

I'm a little leery of all these '1 ping death' reports.  For those that don't know, you don't hear all the pings.  I've actually had zero ping deaths, while a 190 was behind me.  Do I assume he hit me zero times and the 190s cannons are that overmodelled?

Unless you're managing to kill planes consistantly with two rounds of ammo spent, then there is no evidence for the '1 ping death' syndrome.

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Fatty
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[Lance]

Don't remove it or else I'd have to hear Fatty squeak.

Gordo
Fat drunk Bastards

[blitz]

No, please don't remove it.

Why?

1.Fly the big blue from time to time myself.
2.Do not have too much trouble when encountered by a 1c, means i can get my bellybutton out of the hell most times  

blitz