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Offline Hangtime

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« on: May 13, 2000, 03:03:00 AM »
Remove it or not?? State why. Be concise. No name callin. Just give yer vote and yer reasoning.

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« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2000, 04:15:00 AM »
Personaly, I fly the F4u-D model as a favorite, as I feel the C model is a bit more powerful than what the job requires.  I think the Gun/round data should be verified, and a decision be made from that point.

How's that for fence-sitting  



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« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2000, 04:24:00 AM »
How about turn off Arcade Mode gunnery?

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« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2000, 04:26:00 AM »
No........

I like the Big Blue target..
It screams,come kill me out loud.

Oh, and funked only replyed to reach 1700 posts. Cause he flys cannons too  

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Offline StSanta

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« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2000, 04:47:00 AM »
Remove it. Reason: there is an aircraft with similar flight characterstics, so there's no need for it, and the guns on it are just laughable and destroys most fights.

When I meet a Spit of gun hog, I gotta jink and hope that he doesn't ping me from 800+, whereas other aircraft I can save my e and ahve a more "realistic" flight.

Also, we don't want to lose the regulars and that's happening now. So please, for the sake of the community remove the C. The proponents of the Hog can just as well fly the D.


Why did they add that aircraft anyway? It's not like there's a huge differen in flight model between the two hogs, like there is between the 109's.

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Offline Citabria

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« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2000, 04:51:00 AM »
keep it!!

take nothing away!!
add add add!

f4u's are the easiest kills in the game.

all you have to do is not head on them and you win.    
I've flown the f4u1c a bit this tour mostly as jabo attack which is tons of fun. I would hate to see that aspect of enjoyment taken away.

but what I think is the reason the f4u1'c guns are so effective is the ammount of ammo carried.

It carries so many cannon rounds the corsair regular can take those low probability distance shots spray a ton of ammo and have ammo remaining for another few kills.
the f4u is not the only 4 hispano armed fighter. the typhoon also has 4 cannons but carries less ammo, has more dispersion from the guns way out on the wings, carries less ordnance and maneuvers less easily although it has great top speed.

I wish i had magic cannons you all are talking about but it takes me a good 5 to 6 hits in one area with the f4u to get a fatal hit on a target.

I just dont see how 4 cannons would do anything other than shred any aluminum plane to bits no matter what range they hit as long as they hit.

why not turn off range icons under d3?    

btw you guys know about high altitude shooting right? 1000yards came regularly to the good shooters at altitude in real life from the documentary i just saw on Korean War dogfights.


the f4u1c will be much less competitive when AH gets flooded with yaks, yak9's gonna be so quick and maneuverable only shot the f4 gonna have is a head on and only a moron takes the head on in all but the worst situations where its shoot head on or get no shot at all.


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Offline Vermillion

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« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2000, 06:20:00 AM »
Removing ANY aircraft (as long as its historic, which the -1C is) sets a very, very bad precedent.

That means whenever anyone gets sick of the dweeb plane of the week, they can scream for it to be removed. And it might.  

If this starts...  Your favorite aircraft might be next !!

StSanta, think about what your saying. The very same thing could be said of a Dora or even the A8, depending on your point of view.

And for everyones information, that don't know, I do NOT fly the -1C myself. I think its highly overrated.

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« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2000, 06:25:00 AM »
Verm thanks for saving me the time to type a reply.

This whole discussion reminds me of FA and the players crying about the Frank in the Arcade rooms.  The Zone ended up removing the Frank just because the players were whining about how good it was  

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« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2000, 06:37:00 AM »
yep I think we better get our daily dose of McCarthyism for today  

the Yak9 must go...
 its communist, its to small, to fast and its red.

the P-38L must be removed...
its got two engines and no torque problems so it must be communist too! remove it!

The 109G10 is overmodelled! remove it!...
no other aircraft gets the luxury of Nitros Oxide. the g10 can run away any time it wants and climbs like a rocket... it must be a communist too! remove it!

The 190a5 is to uber!...
it turns with the a6m5a and has 4 cannons!
it must be a red... remove it!

La5fn...

It's red!!!!
remove it!!!


I could go on but this is just to stupid to continue on with and I already said my view in a previous post.

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Offline leonid

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« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2000, 06:50:00 AM »
Okay, I despise the F4U-1C of all aircraft in AH, but I don't think its capabilities are far from reality, or the truth.  Below, is a list of various aircraft in AH followed by their armament's salvo weight, which is total projectile mass per second:[list=1]
  • Fw 190A-8 (w/115g MG151), 6.71kg/sec
  • F4U-1C, 6.50kg/sec
  • Fw 190A-8 (w/92g MG151), 5.57kg/sec
  • Spit IX, 4.46kg/sec
  • P-38L, 4.05kg/sec
  • F4U-1D, 3.64kg/sec
  • Spit V, 3.46kg/sec
  • C.205 (w/92g MG151), 3.12kg/sec
  • La-5FN, 2.56kg/sec
  • Bf 109G-6 (w/115g MG151), 2.46kg/sec
  • Bf 109G-6 (w/92g MG151), 2.17kg/sec[/list=a]


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Offline Torque

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« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2000, 06:50:00 AM »
Remove the ppl who want it removed.

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« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2000, 07:27:00 AM »
I'm all for strengthening the panzer armour again - they're very easy to kill with the Typhoon (and therefore F4U-1C). It's simply not worth carrying rockets or bombs since the cannon rounds do the job better!

Plane vs plane combat is not an issue, the 1C (or Typhoon) isn't that hard to evade you know...

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« Reply #12 on: May 13, 2000, 07:27:00 AM »
The F4U-1C appears to be an unfortunate set of coincidences. For jabo and ground attack it would seem to be an unbeatable choice.

1. Toughest plane in the game?
2. Reasonably fast.
3. Rolls well, stable gun platform.
4. Four cannon, with a ton of ammo.
5. Able to carry 2 bombs and 4 rockets.

The P-51D and P-38L can carry more rockets(6 and 10), but their guns are much less powerful and their inline engines probably make them more vulnerable to damage.

The Typhoon has the same guns, but with less ammo and less ordinance ability.

The other 4x20mm planes(Fw 190A-8, N1K2-J) have comparitively pitiful ordinance loads, and less powerful cannon with less ammo.

 
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Removing ANY aircraft (as long as its historic, which the -1C is) sets a very, very bad precedent.

Hopefully though, the precedent of it's inclusion will allow other similar planes to be included too. Eg: Yak-9UT, 3xB-20 La-7, Mustang Ia, Ki-44/61/84 with 4x20mm etc.

PS: Someone invent a time machine, go back and make the USAAF put 4x20mm in the P-51D. Now just imagine THAT plane in AH from day 1.  

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« Reply #13 on: May 13, 2000, 08:00:00 AM »
Verm, removing a historical plane might be a bad idea, but I wonder if putting it in wasn't an even worse one.

The thing is, the difference is flight characteristics are negligble between the C and D The same cannot be said about the 109's (maybe between G10 and G6, but if you're a dedicated 109 driver, I think you'll find a substantial difference).

My main two arguments is the fantastico guns of the C, the fact that flight models are almost identical and then that regulars are planning to leave.

I don't know how the A5 will fly, and if it is similar to A8, then I say we don't need it. If it is an A8 with Überguns, leave it out too.

Mostly I stay well clear of the F4U's guns, but sometimes I get within D800 which is about where the F4UC lethality becomes a big factor.

Sure, the plane is overrated. I mean, it's a C with big guns. The guns, however, make a world of difference in this case.

What good logical reasons would there be to keep it in the game? Granted, your point is well made that it is a historical aircrat (albeit it was produced in very low numbers and IIRC, not widely used in AA). One other argument would be that they've spent time modelling it (doubtful, adding other guns and tweaking the FM just a little would be enough) and a third that it is a favourite ride of many people.

Verm; I'll make you an offer. I'll sacrifice one of my favourite planes, the G10 or the FW190A8 for the taking out of the Hog C. I do this to keep some regulars I really like in the game, among with the other reasons I've described.

Fair enough?

Not that it is my choice, but it goes to show what I am willing to do.

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« Reply #14 on: May 13, 2000, 08:16:00 AM »
Keep the plane but tune down the gun the guns are way too strong.