spanked by a p-38 last night

[Guppy35]

Originally posted by SkyRock
You do realize that we didnt have same E....right?  Not taking anything away from your kill and your fight, but you bounced me!  I turned your superior E as much as possible but with an E advantage to start, and a good pilot behind the controls of the 38, I'd give it to the 38.  I stated earlier that "if" both planes started with the same E, then both planes have advantageous angles to be exploited, so it becomes a chess match!  I guess your "queen" pwned my rook that night!  hee hee
BTW  <> for a good tangle, bro!

It was fun.  Surprised i got ya. That makes it Skyrock 145-Corky 1

I remember it differently though. Thought I was slightly below, co-alt at best when we met.

I would agree that good F4U drivers can do wonders with it.  I had one night where a guy in a 1A was eating me alive no matter what I did.  Can't remember the ID, but he was good.  Saxman does really well in that beast too.

[SkyRock]

U were co-alt??  lol   There wre so many high ones that day I prolly was just seeing every plane "above" me!  It was a good dance anyway!  HAD a good one with Soulyss right after that but he was not as fortunate as you!  It could have been he was in a J and u were in a G......hmm!  Which is better G or J?

[Treize69]

Originally posted by SkyRock
Which is better G or J?

Depends who is flying it, just like the J and L. I do OK in the G and J, get my butt handed to me in the L. Its all in what you're used to and which fits your style best.

But the G is an animal once you devote the time to figuring it out.

[Soulyss]

Yeah, I've been having a real rough time in the J lately can't seem to do anything without dropping a wing or stalling out.  I remember that little fight skyrock, I was yelling at myself because I accidently left CT on and it was screwing me up somthing fierce.  Some nice flying on your part though, F4U's been giving me fits lately.

[SkyRock]

Originally posted by Soulyss
Yeah, I've been having a real rough time in the J lately can't seem to do anything without dropping a wing or stalling out.  I remember that little fight skyrock, I was yelling at myself because I accidently left CT on and it was screwing me up somthing fierce.  Some nice flying on your part though, F4U's been giving me fits lately.

Exactly what I saw, when you went up top to roll over on me, the right wing dropped and gave me a broadside shot! Actuallly, in our lil fi9ght I thought I had picked up enuff speed to hang with you and I got lucky, dan (I thought) on the other hand had some E retention, more than I carried into our battle, hence I never could gain to get high enuff for shot!  Both were exceptioinally flown on the 80th's part!  <> fellas!:aok

[Shuffler]

Please do not refer to any 80th pilots as "flying well". We have a hard earned reputation as parts distributors, please do not muddy this up.

Thank You in advance for your consideration
Lt. Shuffler
Parts Distribution Center
80th FS

[SkyRock]

Originally posted by Shuffler
Please do not refer to any 80th pilots as "flying well". We have a hard earned reputation as parts distributors, please do not muddy this up.

Thank You in advance for your consideration
Lt. Shuffler
Parts Distribution Center
80th FS

[Raptor]

Stop reffering to it as P38 Parts Distrubution!!! Gah you're giving them the wrong impression of us:mad:















No one can tell that those metal shards are they are finding on the ground are parts from a P38. As far as they can tell it's just aluminum dropped out of a bomber to mess up radars.

[SgtPappy]

Originally posted by Ack-Ack
It really boils down to what the speed range is in the fight.


ack-ack

Ah, yes.. the speed. Well, I've taken note in that during my flights in the Corsair, but seriously - maybe I just don't know what I'm talking about, but where is that uber turning of the P-38? The plane just seems to turn as if it' flaps just weren't Fowler...

True, I will outturn planes above 300 IAS, but that seems to kill all those WWII stories of pilots flying around, shooting down Japanese planes with just a few notches dropped.

[Guppy35]

Originally posted by SgtPappy
Ah, yes.. the speed. Well, I've taken note in that during my flights in the Corsair, but seriously - maybe I just don't know what I'm talking about, but where is that uber turning of the P-38? The plane just seems to turn as if it' flaps just weren't Fowler...

True, I will outturn planes above 300 IAS, but that seems to kill all those WWII stories of pilots flying around, shooting down Japanese planes with just a few notches dropped.

The guys in the Pacific were not turn fighting Zekes.  They used their speed and climb to B n Z em to death.  There were a few like McGuire who bent their 38s to turn, but it was not the tactics taught by 5th FC to their 38 drivers to live long, fight and survive.

Pick up a copy of "12 to 1", that is a reprint of the 5th AF fighter pilots 'bible'.  It's all hit and run, preached in it.

[SgtPappy]

Hmm, I'll be sure to look it up. Yet I have another quesion for you pros (sorry if I'm bothering you... I just have no info in this skull, no matter how hard i look): My P-38 seems to get outran and outturned by so many planes. How do you all survive such battles in Co-alt, co-E?

I am able to rolling scissor a noob or two, but the other guys who have equal skill compared to me when I was flying my Spit or Hog seem to catch me evertime when I'm upping a 38.

Some people say that I should master the other USAAF planes (P-51, P-47, P... etc.) before flying this beast. But if not, which 38 would you recommend as a first plane? (as a 38 fan, I fear the G sometimes 'cuz I sometimes get the thought that those engines will suddenly malfunction on me!)

[The Fugitive]

The 38s have a sweet spot you have to learn to fly in.

If your trying to stay fast, 350+, then you fly it like a p47, or p51. Smooth climbing turns conserving "E", making the enemy burn"E" with each run you do on him.

Slow speeds, under 200 you run the flaps in and out as much as posible. Roll them out as you slow and turn, or roll over on a loop, bringing them back in as fast as you can to get your speed back up, and rebuild your "E".

In the middle ground, 200-350, you use it both ways. Keep your turns and such smooth, but go ahead and drop a notch of two of flaps to get that bit more on the turns, or loops. At the middle speeds, side slipping and chopping throttle works great, and the acceleration can get you back up to speed pretty quick.

Its all a matter of "feel", and like all other fighters, knowing the enemies "E" state is what can save the day.

[SkyRock]

Originally posted by The Fugitive
The 38s have a sweet spot you have to learn to fly in.

If your trying to stay fast, 350+, then you fly it like a p47, or p51. Smooth climbing turns conserving "E", making the enemy burn"E" with each run you do on him.

Slow speeds, under 200 you run the flaps in and out as much as posible. Roll them out as you slow and turn, or roll over on a loop, bringing them back in as fast as you can to get your speed back up, and rebuild your "E".

In the middle ground, 200-350, you use it both ways. Keep your turns and such smooth, but go ahead and drop a notch of two of flaps to get that bit more on the turns, or loops. At the middle speeds, side slipping and chopping throttle works great, and the acceleration can get you back up to speed pretty quick.

Its all a matter of "feel", and like all other fighters, knowing the enemies "E" state is what can save the day.

What he said!:aok