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x0847Marine · « **Reply #60 on:** December 05, 2006, 03:40:38 PM »

Bragging about shooting at defenseless squirrels at bars will surely demonstrate your Alpha man mojo and get you laid...wtg!

wrag · « **Reply #61 on:** December 05, 2006, 04:02:28 PM »

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Originally posted by VOR
Aren't they a pest species in CA?

Not only a pest species but they can carry some seroius diseases!!!!

Worked at a Mosquito Abatement and Vector Control District for over 10 years.

Them critters is consider a VECTOR species that can carry diseases to humans.

lazs2 · « **Reply #62 on:** December 06, 2006, 08:24:56 AM »

xmarine... maybe if you got off your barstool and drove a few hundred miles out of the liberal hell hole you live in you might learn something.

they are pests (ground squirrels) and they are poisoned by the ranchers and farmers... they die very unpleasnatly. They are not edible and they make good target practice.

47... if you have a .357 load that throws out a 158 grain slug at 1800 fps then you are grossly overpressure... and... you wouls still not equal the 44 mag loads for energy. the 1300 fps figure I gave was for my 4" redhawk. the 7 1/2" brings that up another 100 fps or so. It is a stout load.

lazs

47Hooker · « **Reply #63 on:** December 06, 2006, 03:31:06 PM »

No doubt it's over pressured. Not to be shot out of a cheap gun or fired often out of any gun. The Smith 686 Distinguished Combat Magnum and Ruger GP100 handle it well. Weapons are checked for cylinder stretch.

To me, the .44 is an awsome weapon, but like the .45, is just too big of a chunk of steel to carry and conceal comfortably. That is the only reason I prefer a .357. The .45 is good for cans.....and squirrels:D

lazs2 · « **Reply #64 on:** December 07, 2006, 10:15:49 AM »

47..at 1800 fps from a revolver of... what? 4"? 6"? with 158 grain slugs you are talking high pressure loads off the charts. I have seen smiths wear out with loads a lot less hot. Have you run those loads over a chronograph? I can't even see what slow burning powder will fit in the case to get those kinds of velocities. 2400 and 296 would be a compressed load for sure.

My cut down redhawk is not a real large gun.. My super blackhawk isn't either but.... I do like a .357 for a carry gun.. the 340 pd is a nice 12 oz scandium J frame (read tiny) 5 shot that fits in the front pocket as well as an older cell phone. Out of the chronograph this gun shoots factory federal 125 JHP's at about 1250 fps. (1 3/4" barrel).

I also agree that the .45 is a fun gun for short range plinking or, like my Kimber with tritium night sights... great night stand gun for urban areas where a too much penetration is a bad thing.

Never shot a squirrel with one. when we were killing the little vermin the old worn out military .45's and new colts wouldn't group better than around 5" at 25 yards.

lazs

Dago · « **Reply #65 on:** December 07, 2006, 04:36:43 PM »

Aren't you first supposed to yell "Lookout Ned, he's coming right for us!"?

Who goes target shooting or even plinking and returns with live ammo?

47Hooker · « **Reply #66 on:** December 07, 2006, 04:55:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Dago

Who goes target shooting or even plinking and returns with live ammo?

Me. The one time that you carry an empty weapon is the one time you will need it the most. An empty gun will get you killed quicker than anything else. Always save a clip for the return trip.

You never know when you will get attacked by a crackhead, approached by a rabid dog or taunted by a tree rat.

47Hooker · « **Reply #67 on:** December 07, 2006, 05:08:12 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
47..at 1800 fps from a revolver of... what? 4"? 6"? with 158 grain slugs you are talking high pressure loads off the charts. I have seen smiths wear out with loads a lot less hot. Have you run those loads over a chronograph?

Chrono'd out of an 8", so he says. I don't doubt it. I stagered the rounds with off-the-shelf 158gr SJHP and the difference is OBVIOUS. I tried them at a local indoor range and when I let one of them go everyone else stopped firing:cool: The recoil, flame and sound difference is amazing. I've seen stretched and even cracked cylinders before, but never heard of a quality weapon exploding so I'll keep firing them until I see damage. Then make repairs and tone it down a notch:D

You can't have any fun if you don't take risks.

lazs2 · « **Reply #68 on:** December 08, 2006, 09:56:50 AM »

47... fun? Ok.

You can listen to me or not. I have been reloading for a lot of years. I have also flat out blown up or ruined half a dozen or more handguns. Some that I wish I had today. I wasn't careless... I was pushing the limits.

If a load is a few percent over the highest listed loads in a loading manual... it will ruin your gun pretty darn quick... the highest listed loads are very hot and accelerate wear.

It is not fun for me to ruin a $600-$1000 revolver in a thousand rounds or less when if I used the more accurate and less pressure realistic loads, my grandkids could pass the gun down to their kids.

If you shoot those loads your smith will be trash in something less than a thousand rounds... and for no reason at all. My 44 mag with reasonable loads has more energy than what that guy cobbled up.

He isn't doing you any favors and may even get you hurt.

I would not shoot those loads or anything that guy loaded.... course... I pretty much don't shoot anyones reloads but my own.. I would suggest the same for everyone.

How do you fix a stretched frame btw?

lazs

DieAz · « **Reply #69 on:** December 08, 2006, 11:44:33 AM »

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Originally posted by 47Hooker
but never heard of a quality weapon exploding so I'll keep firing them until I see damage.

you most likely won't see any damage til it goes off like a grenade in your hands.

Lazs is right about reloads. but it is your life, you can listen or not.

if you by chance live any where near me, and go shooting around me, please let me know so I can leave the area.

VOR · « **Reply #70 on:** December 08, 2006, 12:22:07 PM »

Good luck, hooker. Hope ya don't become a statistic.

Airscrew · « **Reply #71 on:** December 08, 2006, 01:30:23 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
I pretty much don't shoot anyones reloads but my own.. I would suggest the same for everyone.
lazs

Thats a scary thought. When I did shoot, I reloaded but I used a friend/next door neighbor's equipment (my dies and brass, powder, etc) when I first started he reloaded mine and I watched and learned, then later I did my own. He taught me to never trust a reload you didnt make yourself or didnt personally see made, you just dont know, its easy for someone to get confused and wrong line or use the wrong powder, etc. "when in doubt, throw it out". One night I had miss read a line on a .357 reload we were doing. I didnt know when I started making the mistake so we had to take them all apart (maybe 25 rounds) and start over.

Lazs, a few months ago I found a handful of .357 and a couple of .358 BLR Win rounds left over from at least 1990 maybe older. They were in the bottom of a box. How do I get rid of them?

wrag · « **Reply #72 on:** December 08, 2006, 03:55:59 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
47... fun? Ok.

You can listen to me or not. I have been reloading for a lot of years. I have also flat out blown up or ruined half a dozen or more handguns. Some that I wish I had today. I wasn't careless... I was pushing the limits.

If a load is a few percent over the highest listed loads in a loading manual... it will ruin your gun pretty darn quick... the highest listed loads are very hot and accelerate wear.

It is not fun for me to ruin a $600-$1000 revolver in a thousand rounds or less when if I used the more accurate and less pressure realistic loads, my grandkids could pass the gun down to their kids.

If you shoot those loads your smith will be trash in something less than a thousand rounds... and for no reason at all. My 44 mag with reasonable loads has more energy than what that guy cobbled up.

He isn't doing you any favors and may even get you hurt.

I would not shoot those loads or anything that guy loaded.... course... I pretty much don't shoot anyones reloads but my own.. I would suggest the same for everyone.

How do you fix a stretched frame btw?

lazs

Had a friend load up a bunch of 38 specials with, think it was blue dot?.

Any way we went plinkin. He wanted us to help shoot em up. They were lead wad cutters.

Those loads were so hot! Talk about leading! The brass expanded sooo much it was staying in everyones revolvers. He was trying to get the brass out of his revolver when he broke his brand NEW Dan Wesson! I fired 6 rounds. I finally got the brass out of my S&W but I then STOPPED using his reloads! Like Laz says don't trust the reloads of others!

LePaul · « **Reply #73 on:** December 08, 2006, 04:13:18 PM »

As kids we werent allowed to pop our BB guns off at the local wildlife. Then my parents declared war on the lil bastids after they tore a hole in the roof of a newly shingled garage and caused lots of damage to the roof, gutter and the mess they made inside.

A "Rambo" first blood quote comes to mind LOL

VOR · « **Reply #74 on:** December 08, 2006, 05:01:26 PM »

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Originally posted by Airscrew
Lazs, a few months ago I found a handful of .357 and a couple of .358 BLR Win rounds left over from at least 1990 maybe older. They were in the bottom of a box. How do I get rid of them?

I'll answer for lazs. Mail them to me.