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Why is the P-38 so underestamated in Aces High
« on: December 05, 2006, 02:11:23 PM »
I have noticed that the P-38 is very underestamated in Aces High why so? It goes vert with almost anything is pretty fast, and out turn most planes when using flaps. So why is it not used all that much like the spit or la7?
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Why is the P-38 so underestamated in Aces High
« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2006, 02:16:42 PM »
Because people watch me and say "Oh, he can't possibly be THAT bad, it must be the plane."
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Re: Why is the P-38 so underestamated in Aces High
« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2006, 02:36:25 PM »
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Originally posted by Husky01
I have noticed that the P-38 is very underestamated in Aces High why so? It goes vert with almost anything is pretty fast, and out turn most planes when using flaps. So why is it not used all that much like the spit or la7?


shhhh dont tell everyone....

i dont fly them that often....but when i do i normally get over 8K/D on them.

of corse being twin engined its great for taking damage, and still dragging you home. I once had a fight vs the "congo" line of planes hitting my bases.... had 6kills before people got wise, got another 2 before a spit managed to kill my engine just before he flopped over in a rope-de-dope...

however now, im 75miles away from the nearest "safe" base, and only have 1 engine and one aileron. the fight to fly that back was rough.... but to top it off a p51D (who i had killed 3 times) was chasing me these 3 sectors home... i got to friendly ack just as he got to 2k....


the P38 is only a great plane if you know how to use it.... and to be fair, whenever anyone asks whats the best plane to fly... most will say LA7, Niki or P51.... so thats why newbies get stuck on those planes.
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« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2006, 02:37:33 PM »
its hard to fly

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absorbs flak like a tire

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Why is the P-38 so underestamated in Aces High
« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2006, 02:44:44 PM »
As a long time P-38 flier, I can say with certainty that the reason why the P-38 isn't a very popular airplane in the simulator is because it is incorrectly modelled.  In the simulator, given roughly equal pilots and equal energy states, the 38 doesn't outroll anything, doesn't outturn any of its popular opponents other than the P-47 and FW-190, doesn't outclimb Spitfires and Me-109s, and isn't one of the fastest ships in the planeset.  To boot, it's quite fragile, it's a huge target, and locks up in a dive at any altitude.  The only truly great feature of the P-38 in the simulator is the gentle stall handling (which still isn't as gentle as the real P-38's).

Don't get me wrong, it's not a miserable fighter in the simulator.  It's just not good enough to keep up with the competition.  It's not nearly as good as it was in real life.  The real P-38 was a lot faster, turned better, did not compress below 15,000 feet, and was virtually impossible to spin unless the pilot was cross-controlling or using differential power.  I recommend reading Warren Bodie's book.  He's the only author to take the time to talk to Clarence "Kelly" Johnson, co-designer of the P-38.  Bodie's book contains an exclusive foreword by Johnson himself, stating that it is the most accurate account he has read.
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Re: Why is the P-38 so underestamated in Aces High
« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2006, 02:45:38 PM »
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I have noticed that the P-38 is very underestamated in Aces High why so? It goes vert with almost anything is pretty fast, and out turn most planes when using flaps. So why is it not used all that much like the spit or la7?


Because it's a bomber silly :aok



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Re: Re: Why is the P-38 so underestamated in Aces High
« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2006, 02:48:03 PM »
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Because it's a bomber silly


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Why is the P-38 so underestamated in Aces High
« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2006, 03:03:46 PM »
If you are a good driver its a kickass plane. Its also a huge target and flypaper in a dogfight.

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Why is the P-38 so underestamated in Aces High
« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2006, 03:11:39 PM »
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As a long time P-38 flier, I can say with certainty that the reason why the P-38 isn't a very popular airplane in the simulator is because it is incorrectly modelled.


 Why am I not surprised, to see this comment from you?


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In the simulator, given roughly equal pilots and equal energy states, the 38 doesn't outroll anything, doesn't outturn any of its popular opponents other than the P-47 and FW-190, doesn't outclimb Spitfires and Me-109s, and isn't one of the fastest ships in the planeset. To boot, it's quite fragile, it's a huge target, and locks up in a dive at any altitude.


 As it should be.


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The only truly great feature of the P-38 in the simulator is the gentle stall handling (which still isn't as gentle as the real P-38's).


 You've flown P-38s before?


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Don't get me wrong, it's not a miserable fighter in the simulator. It's just not good enough to keep up with the competition.


 You obviously haven't seen the TEDs of Ah in action.


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It's not nearly as good as it was in real life. The real P-38 was a lot faster


 No.


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turned better


 Doubtful.


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did not compress below 15,000 feet


 "compression" and  "heavy controls" is not the same thing


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and was virtually impossible to spin unless the pilot was cross-controlling or using differential power.


 debatable.


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I recommend reading Warren Bodie's book. He's the only author to take the time to talk to Clarence "Kelly" Johnson, co-designer of the P-38. Bodie's book contains an exclusive foreword by Johnson himself, stating that it is the most accurate account he has read.


 Most probably.

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« Reply #9 on: December 05, 2006, 03:21:41 PM »
lol Kweassa, that got some giggles out of me :D
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Why is the P-38 so underestamated in Aces High
« Reply #10 on: December 05, 2006, 04:05:12 PM »
With the 80th flying the P38 nearly exclusively in the MA, we have made great strides in lowering the expectations of the P-38 and it's capabilities.
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Why is the P-38 so underestamated in Aces High
« Reply #11 on: December 05, 2006, 04:15:34 PM »
38 an awesome plane if you know how to fly it. It can catch people by surprise. I  fly it all the time and I dont think its undermodeld. If it flew as well as you say it did in real life then it would have been the ultimate fighter of WWII. It held its own but wasnt THE BEST. Its pretty much the same in AH. It does everything well (except roll)  but its not the best at anything.

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« Reply #12 on: December 05, 2006, 04:26:22 PM »
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it's a huge target, and locks up in a dive at any altitude.


I disagree with these points. The side, front and rear profiles of the 38 is actually smaller than most of the planeset, you just have to know how to give your opponant the smallest target to aim for. Also, with cross controlling and dive brakes a dive can be controlled to the point where it is posible to drop 10k+ straight onto an enemy plane, something I've done often to 262's.
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Why is the P-38 so underestamated in Aces High
« Reply #13 on: December 05, 2006, 04:43:09 PM »
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I disagree with these points. The side, front and rear profiles of the 38 is actually smaller than most of the planeset, you just have to know how to give your opponant the smallest target to aim for. Also, with cross controlling and dive brakes a dive can be controlled to the point where it is posible to drop 10k+ straight onto an enemy plane, something I've done often to 262's.


Your comments about the profiles is absolutely correct, however, in a turning fight you're looking at planform far more often than the other profiles and it looses big time there.  Someone once said he could get a barndoor to fly if given enough power and the 38 pretty much looks like he was right.;)
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Why is the P-38 so underestamated in Aces High
« Reply #14 on: December 05, 2006, 05:02:04 PM »
its the best at looking awesom.