Author Topic: Freedom is Gone? (Read 2388 times)

Maverick · « **Reply #30 on:** December 06, 2006, 09:22:23 PM »

The article is long on accusations and slander, short on any actual verbiage of the bill(s) he is talking about.

bsdaddict · « **Reply #31 on:** December 06, 2006, 09:55:47 PM »

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Originally posted by Yeager
if you guys really think the justice system in the US is broken then go rob a bank armed with a weapon and see what happens.

never implied it wasn't effective, simply misused all too often.

edit: I take that back. it's been terribly ineffective at "winning" the drug war, argueably at even putting a dent in overall drug usage. all they've done, for the most part, is fill our prisons with non-violent "criminals". sure, there's some hardcore bangers in there too, but there's a lot of peaceful folk who's only "crime" was to posess a plant. Not to mention the violence that springs from the unavoidable involvement of the black market in the sale of any prohibited substance.

sure, they can still catch bank robbers. usually... murderers? probably. find a stolen car? not likely... find a missing white girl? of course, but what about a missing black girl?

In the name of the first the war on drugs, and now the war on terror, the system has been horribly compromized. By system I mean everything from the methods used by the cop on the beat, to prosecutors being influenced by politics and not justice, to judges legislating from the bench and pushing a "living constitution", to jury's being misinformed regarding their rights and obligations as a jury. Not to mention the side effects, like problems that can arise from diverting resources into investigating/prosecuting victimless and/or avoidable "crimes", and the innocent victims caught in the crossfire of the War on the Users of Some Drugs.

but yeah, overall everythings just peachy!

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #32 on:** December 06, 2006, 10:47:14 PM »

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Originally posted by Shamus
Ron Paul a liberal? he is anything but a liberal, you need to check his history.

shamus

I'm sorry, you're all socialists to me. I thought you knew that.

nickf620 · « **Reply #33 on:** December 06, 2006, 10:49:11 PM »

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Originally posted by bsdaddict
sure, there's some hardcore bangers in there too, but there's a lot of peaceful folk who's only "crime" was to posess a plant.

oh i see where this is going this is all your round about way to get pot legalized

bsdaddict · « **Reply #34 on:** December 06, 2006, 11:15:54 PM »

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Originally posted by nickf620
oh i see where this is going this is all your round about way to get pot legalized

I'm a libertarian, duh... j/k, that is a common misconception though, libertarians just being pot smokers who want to be left alone. I simply used that as the most benign example of a waste of a correctional sentance I could think of. I'm against the war on drugs for many reasons, not the least of which is that I don't think it's the governments job to tell a grown man what he can do with his own body. It really boils down to the fact that I own me, not the government.

Just lately the Libertarian Party's official platform was altered a bit, one of the changes was backing down from this, more principled stance and making it more of a harm-reduction and economic issue. Not that those aren't valid factors to consider, but to me it boils down to self-ownership/responsibility.

FBBone · « **Reply #35 on:** December 07, 2006, 12:44:29 AM »

lol, C'mon guys! Government taking your freedom??? You will lose your freedom anyway, as soon as you say "I DO"!

nickf620 · « **Reply #36 on:** December 07, 2006, 01:24:44 AM »

hahaha bone

And USA< as free as it gets

so get used to it

lol

lazs2 · « **Reply #37 on:** December 07, 2006, 09:57:39 AM »

while I agree with most of the libertarian parties ideals...

they are the party of egghead do nothings. they talk and talk and talk and do nothing. The ACLU has fewer members and is a force to be reconed with... Various pro second amendment groups do more.

The direction the libertarian party needs to go is legal... a libertarian version of the ACLU taking on cases that Americans really care about like no knock laws and second amendment rights. Talk talk talk isn't going to win any converts and running for offices that they have zero chance (at this time) of winning is stupid.

So you join the libertarian party? so what? Do you get even a "I wasted my vote on a libertarian" button to wear? Nope...

Better you take $35 and join the NRA or write letters to the ACLU and tell the commies how you feel and what rights you want em to defend.

lazs

bsdaddict · « **Reply #38 on:** December 07, 2006, 10:12:38 AM »

I'll vote how my conscience dictates I vote, thank you very much. Maybe if the R's get back to embracing Reagan conservatism there might be some of them worth voting for, but there's no way in heck an authoritarian neo-con will ever get my vote. They're NO BETTER than the socialist D's in my book.

red26 · « **Reply #39 on:** December 07, 2006, 10:19:38 AM »

If ya dont like whats going on the move! I have supported this country for 26 years now what ever happens happens thers now way to stop it or make it turn around so all we can do is just hide and watch.

I dont have choppers flying over my house yet or tanks rolling down the street. I havent been stoped by a M.P. in the street yet. When all that happens then it happens.

lazs2 · « **Reply #40 on:** December 07, 2006, 10:23:17 AM »

socialist, facist... makes no real difference in the long run... both are in favor of all controlling big government and no freedom. In the end.. it is not the type of large all encompassing government you get but the simple fact that large government of any kind is the problem.

But... you want to think it over.. the democrats embrace socialism a lot more enthusiasicaly than the republicans embrace facism..

What this means in practicle terms is that... you are gonna lose your essential freedoms (grow government) a lot faster with democrats in power.

I am pragmatic. I vote republican whenever it will be close or there is a chance for the republican to lose. I vote libertarian when the republican is a shoe in or has absolutely no chance...

To me... this is voting my concience. My concience won't allow me to let a democrat in simply to protest.

I also give money to groups that support my rights like the NRA/ILA and I give to charities not associated with the government.

wrag · « **Reply #41 on:** December 07, 2006, 10:29:46 AM »

Pattern recognition.

There has been a pattern within our government for over 30 years.

One party wants a new law passed. Usually it's the party in power. The other party blocks it. Usually it's the party not in power. When the party that isn't in power does finally get in power the law the other party wanted gets passed.

Even though a party isn't in power it frequently has just enough votes to block the other.

As we have been often warned. Government grows beyond it's scope and siezes powers it was never intended to have.

The Johnson administration was one of the worst for this. So many things that are bad for this country came out of that administration. The Bush administration both the previous one and this one compare with the Johnson Administration. Interesting that all 3 came out of Texas?

This is my opinion, and I realize it doesn't make it true for others.

Trell · « **Reply #42 on:** December 07, 2006, 10:29:47 AM »

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Originally posted by lasersailor184
I'm sorry, you're all socialists to me. I thought you knew that.

Hey Shamus Don't you know, He is waiting for the anarchist version of Fidel Castro to lead him in a glorious revolution...

lazs2 · « **Reply #43 on:** December 07, 2006, 10:30:59 AM »

red... you are correct... those things aren't happening... too often.

We do have roadblocks with police checking drivers and cars. We do have feds unlawfully searching citizens at airports... we do have masked secret police breaking into citizens homes in the middle of the night and killing them.. We have agencies of the government burning down churches while women and children are in them in order to "save them" we have police snipers killing women and children because their husband might have sold a shotgun with a barrel that was 1/8" maybe too short.

we don't have tooooooo many of these things happening but... what is disturbing to me is that not much happens when these things do happen. No one dares to protest.

durring all this... there is a large socialist party that wants to dissarm everyone except the government forces. I would say that being armed is about our only hope when things finaly get to be too much... I would say that the socialist democrats know that and that is why they are so adamant in attacking our 2nd amendment rights.

lazs

Yeager · « **Reply #44 on:** December 07, 2006, 10:31:16 AM »

The war on drugs is political slang generated under the reagan admin. It is pure political rhetoric. Having said that Im guessing a few hunderd thousand people have died and millions have been incarcerated in the US since laws were passed aimed at curbing the cultural ingestion of certain prohibited intoxicants. Sounds sort of like a war. Also, how do you know that the drug problems would not have ended up being a hundred times worse than they are now if no effort had been made to stop the flow and use of illicit drugs? Your guessing when you say its been a dismal failure.

And booze is a tool of teh devil