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Offline tedrbr

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« Reply #15 on: December 09, 2006, 01:24:26 PM »
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bit of a mess that mission....... 90buffs and HQ didnt go down. doh......

edit and 250lbs are next to useless.... 1000lbs for "hard" (HQ) targets, and 500lbs for soft.


Yeah, I think mission target changed last minute.  It was the first run of the Bomb Wing, and came together kind of fast in the end.  HQ raid should be B-24's with the 8 - 1K (more flexibility) bombs or  4 - 2K's (tighter pattern).

I dissagree that 250#'s are useless.  It is a trade up, fewer 500# with more effect, or more 250# with better coverage.  For a large mission like last night, salvoing those 250#'s across 2 or 3 strat factory targets would have been devastating.  I tend to use 250# against towns when flying solo, with good effect.  But, if used right, not much diff between 250's and 500's, in the end.  Comes down to technique and preference.

B-17 best buff in the game for mass raids against strat targets.

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« Reply #16 on: December 09, 2006, 06:29:28 PM »
250s have almost no blast damage
500s will take down about 3-5 buildings due to blast
1000lbs can take down like 10buildings due to blast

but you right about having more "bombs" but add up the overall ord, and you will see that B17s and most bombers LOOSE overall ord when going down to 250s.

for instance you can have 12x500lbs or only 16x250lbs in B17s.

same with B24... max ord is 2000lbs or 1000lbs bombs. after that you start loosing ord.

Lancaster is one of the only ones you dont really drop much... ie you can have 18x500lbs and 1x4000lb or you can have 9x1000lb and 1x4000lb.... thats still less than 14x1000lbs tho.
« Last Edit: December 09, 2006, 06:33:23 PM by Overlag »
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« Reply #17 on: December 09, 2006, 10:56:35 PM »
Its funny because I use 1000lb 99% of the time in MA B24s.

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« Reply #18 on: December 10, 2006, 03:56:52 AM »
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Its funny because I use 1000lb 99% of the time in MA B24s.


ditto... i take blast damage over numbers... rather drop 7 1000lbs thand 14 500lbs

but to be fair...... the spread of 250lbs in that mission looked great! :D
« Last Edit: December 10, 2006, 04:00:18 AM by Overlag »
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« Reply #19 on: December 10, 2006, 01:52:10 PM »
If you have experienced bomber pilots, each assigned a specific area or target to hit, then I'd agree you can do alot of damage with 1,000 lb bombs.  1,000's also give you more tactical flexibility if you get on site and need to drop Hangars instead.

But mission like this last large mission you often have a very mixed group of buff drivers, and unless you are assigning "lanes" and "spans" for individual bombers  to target, or are trying to have all bombers dropping on the lead bomber (like FiLtH's mission was looking to do) then I think you will have better luck with lot's of 250's or 500 lb bombs dropping from the sky than a few 1000 lb bombs.  

It is a "shotgun" approach.  It only take 250 lbs ord to drop 1 strat structure.
You should also climb and get on target much sooner with the lighter overall bomb load.  And strats only need to be dropped below 50% to be a success.

And with a group that big Friday night, with proper salvo and delay settings, the bomb wing could have flattened 3 seperate strat factory/city targets easily.  Much harder to do en mass with 8 - 1000's by B-24 that need to be placed properly by each pilot to have the effect (lanes and spans again) to prevent too much overlap, and only dropping 2 or 3 salvos per target, or 12 - 500's by B17 or B24 by salvoing 4 salvos at each target, or 16 - 250's by B-17's salvoing 5 or 6 per drop.

And many blast craters does look a little better than a few big ones.

But, maybe the blast radius of 1,000's would work well enough to effect a broad enough area at the target.  Depends on code and model in-game.


As to Lancs.  I just don't like them for most missions.  Very slow, very poor defensive fire.  We would have been torn to pieces by those massed 163 interceptors if we had been in Lancs.... all attacking from underneath our formation.  The guns on the B-17's and B-24's much better at handling enemy fighters.

I wish we still had night..... big Lanc missions would be fun then.....

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« Reply #20 on: December 10, 2006, 02:17:06 PM »
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I wish we still had night..... big Lanc missions would be fun then.....


you have about 20minutes of "dawn" which is sometimes enough.. its just timing it. but then who would want to engauge 30 lancasters?....most will die...
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« Reply #21 on: October 30, 2007, 06:09:30 PM »
this is a great guide! :aok

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« Reply #22 on: October 31, 2007, 05:18:22 AM »
No mention of the B25?
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« Reply #23 on: October 31, 2007, 05:45:56 AM »
I found a way to defeat belly attacks while in mediums like the KI-67, the B-26, B-25...ect

                           Some guys are getting wise to it now but in the last two tours there have probably been dozens of fighter sticks wondering how in heck they were getting pinged so early while coming up on B-26s.
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« Reply #24 on: October 31, 2007, 07:41:51 AM »
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No mention of the B25?


Did ya notice that the thread was written almost a year ago?  We didn't have a B25,  nor had anyone even thought one might be in the works.

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« Reply #25 on: October 31, 2007, 03:21:51 PM »
i thought that killing all fuel dumps reduce fuel to 25%..?

i dont fly to music but if i did i think RUSH's Red Barchetta would be a good one.

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« Reply #26 on: October 31, 2007, 03:26:01 PM »
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i thought that killing all fuel dumps reduce fuel to 25%..?


Back in the good ole days it did.... but then everyone whines that they could fly their La-7's with only 25% fuel.  So it was changed to 75%.  Heaven forbid they actually attempt to defend their base before it gets porked, or resupply it afterwards.  Nope... they just want to fly their LA-7 full throttle all the time.

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« Reply #27 on: October 31, 2007, 03:42:12 PM »
What....no Maiden.....no Motorhead........come on man!!!  :)

Also, others from the Heavy Metal soundtrack album that are fitting....Reach Out by Cheap Trick, Crazy (A Suitable Case For Treatment) by Nazareth and Prefabricated
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As a side note: appropriate music to go along with any large buff raid, what I like to listen to en route, or to be added to the movies and slideshows afterward, include, in no particular order:

"The Mob Rules"   by  Black Sabbath
"Block Rockin' Beats"  and  "Piku"  by  The Chemical Brothers
"Forsaken"  by David Drainman
"Heavy Fuel"  by Dire Straits
"Bodies" by Drowning Pool
"Epic" by Faith No More
"Absurd" (Whitewash edition) by Fluke
"DOA" by the Foo Fighters
"What Are You Waiting For" by Gwen Stefani
"Heavy Metal", "Ram It Down", "Hard As Iron", "Delivering the Goods", "The Sentinel" all by Judas Priest
"Black Horse & The Cherry Tree"  by KT Tunstall
"Bom Bom Bom"  by Living Things
"Missing Time"  by  MDFMK
"Forgotten Years"  Midnight Oil
"Detroit Rock City"  version by Mighty Mighty Bosstones
"Space Lord"  and "Powertrip"  by Monster Magnet
"Head Like a Hole"  and  "The Hand That Feeds"   by Nine Inch Nails
"Infinity"  and  "Millionaire"  by Queens of the Stone Age
"Black Betty"  by either  Ram Jam,  or Spiderbait
"Feuer Frei"  by Ramstein
"Radar Rider"  by Riggs
"Highwire" by The Rolling Stones
"Battle Without Honor Or Humanity"  Tomoyasu Hotei  (from Kill Bill, Vol. 1)
"Heavy Metal" by Sammy Hagar
"Heavy Metal (Takin'A Ride)" by Don Felder (movie: Heavy Metal)
"Carmina Burana: O Fortuna"  from the movie "Excalibur"   (as opposed to "Ride of the Valkiries" from movie "Apocalypse Now")

among others.... I've got 96 songs in the playlist for flying Buffs alone.......

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« Reply #28 on: October 31, 2007, 04:19:09 PM »
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Did ya notice that the thread was written almost a year ago?  We didn't have a B25,  nor had anyone even thought one might be in the works.


Heh, didnt even have a cup of joe in me. My bad.
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« Reply #29 on: October 31, 2007, 05:01:39 PM »
Turrents is not a word. Cant find it at Dictionary.com or in this websters dictionary I have here at work.