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Offline Widewing

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F7F Tigercat.... beautiful
« on: December 08, 2006, 08:21:13 PM »
Few WWII vintage aircraft are as striking as the Tigercat. VMF(N)-533 began operating F7F-2Ns out of Okinawa the day before Japan announced its surrender. I would not want to be patrolling over Japan in my Ki-61 and see one of these beasties coming my way.

Tigercat racing

F7F flybys

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Widewing
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« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2006, 08:37:45 PM »
Saw a Tigercat for sale on Controller about a year ago, guy wanted 700,000. Dunno its condition, assume it needs some work to go for that cheap. Would be a nice goal in life to own such a bird.

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« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2006, 09:15:59 PM »
I saw that at Chino :D
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Re: interesting reading from Corky Meyer...
« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2006, 09:48:07 PM »
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http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3897/is_200208/ai_n9120620


Corwin Meyer is an interesting character. From the article:

"I will tell you of a totally unexpected and earth-shaking discussion that I had with the Navy's premier test pilot, Capt. Fred M. Trapnell. It will explain why all Tigercat pilots liked the airplane in spite of its failure to meet several important Navy SR-38D specifications for flight-handling characteristics.

For many years, Capt. Trapnell was the top test pilot in the Navy; his word was law, both in Navy and industry flight-test circles. An example of his influence: he came for a three-hour flight evaluation of the first XF6F-3 Hellcat soon after its first flight and he gave the official Navy go-ahead for mass production on that day!"

Trapnell's comments on the F7F:

 "The excess power of its two engines is wonderful for aerobatics; the cockpit planning and the forward visibility in the carrier approach is the best in any fighter ever built; the tricycle landing gear allows much faster pilot checkouts; the roll with the power boost rudder is faster than the ailerons; and it has a greater range than any fighter in inventory." Again, he was absolutely right. As he climbed up the ladder to the cockpit, he turned around, grinned and told me, "It's the best damn fighter I've ever flown."

Trapnell also listed the Tigercat's deficiencies: "The over-cooling of the engines; a lack of longitudinal stability; excessively high dihedral rolling effect with rudder input; the high, minimum single-engine control speed, etc."

Alas, nothing is perfect....

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Widewing
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« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2006, 12:20:34 PM »
That is a big Aircraft Widewing.  Is F7f bigger or the same size as a P-38.  

Also what was is its expected speed, alt, range, ect ect.

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« Reply #6 on: December 09, 2006, 01:27:02 PM »
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That is a big Aircraft Widewing.  Is F7f bigger or the same size as a P-38.  

Also what was is its expected speed, alt, range, ect ect.
Google is nice to use.

http://www.daveswarbirds.com/usplanes/aircraft/tigercat.htm
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/f7f.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F7F_Tigercat

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« Reply #7 on: December 09, 2006, 01:57:51 PM »
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Saw a Tigercat for sale on Controller about a year ago, guy wanted 700,000. Dunno its condition, assume it needs some work to go for that cheap. Would be a nice goal in life to own such a bird.


Probably something that is not flyable; maybe without engines?

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« Reply #8 on: December 09, 2006, 03:53:58 PM »
i think maybe WW2 planes go for a premium
for example, controller presently lists an FM-2 for $950k, but the two Sea Furies both go for under $700
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« Reply #9 on: December 09, 2006, 04:07:47 PM »
Without a doubt, the most beautiful plane at the races.  And, there's nothing that compares to the sound of the two Wasps running full bore.

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« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2006, 02:00:57 AM »
They were still using Tigercats as fire bombers not that long ago.
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« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2006, 03:12:55 AM »
Privateers & A-26s too
forwhatever reasons B-24s were worth a bazillion as warbirds & Privateers were not:huh :huh :huh :confused:

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« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2006, 07:47:50 AM »
Hey thats a bad azzz lookin plane.Is there any material on how it compared to other warbirds?Just curious how it would handle in combat.Can I take it the weapons would have been pretty deadly?

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« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2006, 09:54:52 AM »
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Hey thats a bad azzz lookin plane.Is there any material on how it compared to other warbirds?Just curious how it would handle in combat.Can I take it the weapons would have been pretty deadly?

Pipz


Performance was as good or better than the F8F-1 in several areas.

F7F-2N night fighter version, with pilot and radar operator, at full load (less external stores), including 425 gallons of fuel.

Speed at SL: 362 mph
Speed at 21,900 feet: 445 mph
Initial climb: 4,540 ft/min (when flying with 200 gallons of fuel, climb exceeded 5,000 ft/min.

When tested at the Fighter Conference in 1944, it was stated that the F7F could defeat the F6F-5 in a dogfight. Biggest complaints were poor rearward vision, excessive dihedral effect and a lack of longitudinal stability. Later versions had increased rudder area and bulged canopy glass.

Relatively high coefficient of lift, combined with a low wing loading resulted in excellent turning ability (close to the Hellcat)

Armament was four 20mm cannon AND four .50 cal MGs.

Acceleration was faster than the F8F... E retention was insane. Pilots complained that they couldn't slow it down fast enough.

The Tigercat was used extensively in Korea as a night fighter. It proved very effective.

If Japan did not surrender when it did, they would have faced both the F7F and F8F in ever increasing numbers. By October, at least 6 F8F-2 and 3 F7F-2N squadrons would have been fully operational. At the time of the surrender, one F7F-2N squadron was on Okinawa and two or three F8F squadrons were in-route to Japan on carriers. Had the Navy so desired, Grumman could have begun deliveries much sooner and both types would have been in combat by the spring of 1945. As it was, the Navy did not place high priority on either as the F6F-5 was deemed adequate both as a day and night fighter.

My regards,

Widewing
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Widewing

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« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2006, 11:21:15 AM »
Thanks for that Widewing
 Pretty interesting stuff.I am amazed at how fast aviation developed from the time WW2 started till its end.I have just begun reading Bodies book on the p38 and its realy hammering that point home to me.Considering the state of Japanese aviation at the end of the war your rite.I wouldnt have wanted to be be in some sloppy constructed Ki goin up againts those cats!

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