Changes to come.

[SkyRock]

Originally posted by Simaril
Interesting.

The side balancing HAD kicked in last night, it just is FAR less punitive than the BBS ...anticipatory complainers?...expected.

The other thing that I find interesting is that there was almost equal imbalance in the Orange last night. Played for hours with the Rooks 80 Bish 80 Nits 40 (in flight...I dont remember totals).

It seems that for the low side, the log ins = log outs, and the higher sides drop veeeery slowly.

It also seems that any Knights that got bumped from Blue would have been more than welcome to try out Orange; and that any squad that found itslef split sould have easily moved en mass to another arena.

Wow, I didn't think it had kicked in because of the numbers I was seeing in blue LW.  I have been switching countries to the lowest numbered one for over a year now.  Occasionally I'll forget tolook and be in a horde, but I usually just have to check prices in the hangar to find out!  I really gon't get much fun out of flying with a country that is steamrolling because of numbers.  It ends up being 10 ganging on one and peeeps mad cause of assists and kill stealing or someone arguing over how fast town not down, or who cut in front of the other on that last upper.  Whole time there is no challenge in anything that is being done, just ganging!  BBBBOOOORRRRRRIIIINNNNGGGG!:rolleyes:

[Edbert]

Originally posted by E25280
I wonder if this is still the case?  I thought at the time it was a little early for an honest/accurate evaluation.  

We the players don't and won't have access to the real data. But as for what we DO have access to, let me suggest the score page. If you look at pilot score and find a category where there's a zero (like for me it is almost always field capture, I think I've captured 3 bases in 7 years) you can see how many people sortied that category that tour. For example (today is only th 12th so the numbers will grow by the end of the month) right now there have been 3,423 paying subscribers that have upped a bomber in the last 12 days (all my bomber numbers are zero...LOL), and there have been 3,339 individual players who have logged at least one GV sortie, there have been 2,452 players who have sortied as a Jabo. Some of you guys might have at least one "zero" in fighter and could check to see how many individual subscribers have a fighter sortie.

But generally speaking there have been around 5,000 (give or take 500) people who have logged into the arenas and had a sortie of some kind per tour. This has been true for quite a while and does NOT take into account those who go a month without loggin in as I have a coule of times and as more than half my squad has this tour alone.

Rest assured though, HTC has highly detailed demographics about us, our habits and our styles...and despite what many folks in this thread think...THEY DO KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING. They certainly know what is better for the game than any of us do.

PS...I knew WB was broken at the con in 1998 when Jay Littman gave the keynote, I was sitting at the table with ack-ack who was a squaddie at the time.

[Edbert]

Originally posted by bj229r
You CANT tell me its fun to have numbers like 100 to 50 to 40

Oh yes they can, they've been saying that since the first change was made. I'm sure you can guess which side of the 100-50-40 they had fun being one too.

OMG...I just made my 2,000th post...what a dweeb!

[Excaliber]

See Rule #5

[Excaliber]

See Rules #4, #5

[SINNER]

Originally posted by Mark Luper
I've been here since the beginning and you won't find a company that will care for it's cutomers like HitechCreations will. They will not, however, cater to a few self interested individuals. Thier goal, as I've seen it, is to provide the best atmosphere for the group as a whole.

Mark

I haven't actually done the math, but reading the last EIGHT PAGES or so, the complaints seem to well outnumber the "atta boys". And many complaints are very well written, not "whines". Stilletto and Kev367. The most I've seen in support of the new plan is "I hate UNFAIR, and way to go HT!"

I'm just wondering who the whiners really are and who the "few self interested individuals" are?

SINNER

[pluck]

mostly because, why do people feel like they should go on and on about how they like changes, when the changes are coming?  even so, i see quite a few that agree with the changes.  i would agree there are some costructive posts, but many are just whaaa's and quite a few #4 and #5's.  at any rate it doesn't matter, the bbs is not end all say all like some believe.  we are only but a small fraction.  when you consider there may be 3500-4000 AHers (just quessing), and the most on bbs at one time was around 200.

p.s you might be seeing only what you want to see.

[HomeBoy]

Originally posted by SINNER I'm just wondering who the whiners really are and who the "few self interested individuals" are?[/B]

I would love to know that too.  I'm getting more suspicious, not less, as to who is getting HT's ear the most based on the way the factions are polarized.  

I must tell you, the things Stiletto has said in this thread make as much sense as anything I've heard.  He's beginning to win me over some what.  I've been in support of this idea of fixing the "balancing problem" and the "slum problem" but mostly out of wanting to be a good citizen and trying to see things from the "other guy's" perspective.  Frankly,  I've not really seen them as big problems myself.  As far as I'm concerned, those that gripe about these problems have three arena to choose from now:  EW, MW, LWO.  Maybe the best solution is to leave LWB alone and let it become the old MA.  If I see "I_won't_mention_his_name" showing up in LWB and then coming here whinning about whordes and toolshedding then I'll know what the REAL problem is.

Just thinking out loud a bit here.  I'm still not sure I understand the problem.

[Edbert]

Originally posted by SINNER
I'm just wondering who the whiners really are and who the "few self interested individuals" are?
 

I'd say we all are; me, you, the supporters, and the detractors. In fact, I'd say Dale is too. His self interest regarding AH is in having a roof over his head and food on the table (among many others I'm sure).

Being self interested is normal human behavior which we all do daily, nothing really suprising there. With regard to us mere players it only becomes an issue when you try to force your interest onto someone else. With regard to HTC's decisions (many of which are contrary to MY interests like having tanks and troops in the 1st place) his self interest is in growing the game and making enough dough to retire with a few cases of Craggenmore. So if growing the game (increasing total customers) is contrary to your self interests then it is you who should realize you're being selfish (or me in the case I mentioned above), and either keep playing or quit.

[HomeBoy]

Edbert,
Sure can't argue with you on much of that!

Edit:  I changed "any" to "much" because I guess I am still wondering if there is not a "sqeaky wheel" that is generating a lot of this.  Not saying there IS, just not sure at this point.

[Max]

Originally posted by Mark Luper
Let's see here, AW for all it was to those that enjoyed it is no longer available. As far as the community aspect of it goes, that is totaly dependent on the individuals in it and what they wish to make of it. It can be a community of whiners and name callers or it can be a community consisting people out to enjoy each other's company and lend a helping hand where it is needed.

The Aces High community for the most part is a helpfull and friendly group that enjoys the company of other players. A few fall into the whiner, name-calling group but fortunately those are exceptions.

I've been here since the beginning and you won't find a company that will care for it's cutomers like HitechCreations will. They will not, however, cater to a few self interested individuals. Thier goal, as I've seen it, is to provide the best atmosphere for the group as a whole.

Mark

Well said, sir. By the way...are you Skuzzy's grandpa?

[Hades55]

Originally posted by HomeBoy
I would love to know that too.  I'm getting more suspicious, not less, as to who is getting HT's ear the most based on the way the factions are polarized.  

I must tell you, the things Stiletto has said in this thread make as much sense as anything I've heard.  He's beginning to win me over some what.  I've been in support of this idea of fixing the "balancing problem" and the "slum problem" but mostly out of wanting to be a good citizen and trying to see things from the "other guy's" perspective.  Frankly,  I've not really seen them as big problems myself.  As far as I'm concerned, those that gripe about these problems have three arena to choose from now:  EW, MW, LWO.  Maybe the best solution is to leave LWB alone and let it become the old MA.  If I see "I_won't_mention_his_name" showing up in LWB and then coming here whinning about whordes and toolshedding then I'll know what the REAL problem is.

Just thinking out loud a bit here.  I'm still not sure I understand the problem.

 

You are bulls eye, dead center, in the hart of problem

[hitech]

I'm just wondering who the whiners really are and who the "few self interested individuals" are?

I would define self interest as the point at which you put your particular desire above all other peoples desires.

So on the balance issue it is really simple for me to see.

Believing that you should have the right to fly where ever you wish, at the expense of all other players would by simple definition be "self interested".

So any post like this I just ignore. And most people call them whiners.

2nd posting ideas on how to solve an issue, but your remedy always involves not yourself, but what some one else should do, is again only "self interested"
Again I just ignore the idea for what it is, wanting to make someone else fix the problem.

On the balancing issue it really is very simple. The people on the low numbered side can do absolutely nothing to solve the issue. Their only choice is to join the problem and make it worse.

Previously we had tried the ENY and perk plane cost systems, as the least intrusive way to motivating side balancing. They were not a strong enough messure to keep things in check. If side unbalance was only a occasional spike I would not have needed to change any thing, but it has not been an ocasionals spike, but had become the norm.


Also do not judge the balancing on a 1 day test. It should settle the waves in balance as people adjust, and after things settle some what, very rarely will you have to wait in queue.

Also where the queue kicks in also might need to be tightened up.

HiTech

[Bronk]

Originally posted by hitech


Also where the queue kicks in also might need to be tightened up.

HiTech

Great now we get to hear more whine about your draconian limits.

Note to silat: Can I get the teen squelch upgraded to the squelch unwarranted whine  please.

My ears thank you in advance.

Bronk

[DadRabit]