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« Reply #420 on: December 12, 2006, 02:40:29 PM »
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HT has told us over and over this is not a war game,


Hmm,  thanks for that "two-by-four" John.  I don't recall ever seeing that from HT but I haven't read all that many posts over the years so I will definitely take your word on that.  From what you say, the burden of adjustment rests squarely on the shoulders of those of us who have though of this game as a war game.  I have mistakingly approached Aces High as a war game (the bombers, reset concept, missions, etc. have not helped) and obviously have a bit of "retraining" to do.  I honestly did not realize this and I've been around here since the beginning.   I'm not kidding, I am a slow learner!  :eek:

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« Reply #421 on: December 12, 2006, 02:42:44 PM »
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« Reply #422 on: December 12, 2006, 02:47:03 PM »
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Hmm,  thanks for that "two-by-four" John.  I don't recall ever seeing that from HT but I haven't read all that many posts over the years so I will definitely take your word on that.  From what you say, the burden of adjustment rests squarely on the shoulders of those of us who have though of this game as a war game.  I have mistakingly approached Aces High as a war game (the bombers, reset concept, missions, etc. have not helped) and obviously have a bit of "retraining" to do.  I honestly did not realize this and I've been around here since the beginning.   I'm not kidding, I am a slow learner!  :eek:

Think I'm going to just slip back into obscurity again......


well it can be a war game and a flight sim.  you can still capture bases, bomb the ever loving cr@p outta toolsheds. you up gv's roll them around blow up stuff etc. etc.  but again it is not a war. it is a game.  games tend to have some form of equality, you are given tools, you decide how to use these tools.  in war, nothing is fair, nothing is fun, and their is no reason why it should be.  just because a game is played with somewhat equal terms doesn't mean it can't be a war game.  just my thoughts.
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« Reply #423 on: December 12, 2006, 02:53:22 PM »
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Do not believe I have ever said that.

What I have said is more along the lines of it is not a simulation of WWII.

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« Reply #424 on: December 12, 2006, 03:01:28 PM »
OK I didnt read the rest of the post on this topic. Half are kissing HiTech rear-end to the point of disbelieve the other half not liking the changes,


HiTech I am going to put this to you straight and forwartd. Dont call theses changes call them the death of squads changes. Instead of people forming squads as one of your selling points in your TV commercials it should say you can form a squad but cant fly with them when you want to. As far as the balance issue. Well when you created mutliple arenas YOU opened a can of worms. Now when people are getting the butts handed to them they switch areans which in turn cause the side imbalance. So are you going to make changes so people who are losing have to face and eal with that fact instead of logging off. Come on you can do it. You already taken away our ability to fly with squaddies and friends and restriced as form flying in the arena of our choice.

I am sick of hearing the same lame answers. If we dont like the changes then yes we could leave. But if you didnt like the game before you should have left along time ago.

Hitech I went form enjoying the gameplay and having fun to sitting here waiting to fly with squaddies in an arena to be told you cant fly with your squad because I dont think it is fair you outnumber the other guys. Well HiTech stated once more take away peoples choice of logging off because they dont want to lose.

As Far as people complaining about the Horde. The funny part is you watch one side complain about the horde whilt he people complaining about it are attacking the same country the horde is. The Horde is easy to stop. Shot em down and pork there fields. Bingo Horde Stopped.

Yes I know dont let my rear end hit the door on the way out. But the sad part of this HiTech and Skuzzy. You are giving up on a Customer Base that has kept you in Business for years and you turned your back on them. Truely Sad. I can leave with the changes made before these. But even these are making me wonder if you had a nervous breakdown or are listneing to people who need to be lined up and shot for there stupidity.

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« Reply #425 on: December 12, 2006, 03:01:56 PM »
**What I have said is more along the lines of it is not a simulation of WWII.

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« Reply #426 on: December 12, 2006, 03:05:24 PM »
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OK I didnt read the rest of the post on this topic. Half are kissing HiTech rear-end to the point of disbelieve the other half not liking the changes,


HiTech I am going to put this to you straight and forwartd. Dont call theses changes call them the death of squads changes. Instead of people forming squads as one of your selling points in your TV commercials it should say you can form a squad but cant fly with them when you want to. As far as the balance issue. Well when you created mutliple arenas YOU opened a can of worms. Now when people are getting the butts handed to them they switch areans which in turn cause the side imbalance. So are you going to make changes so people who are losing have to face and eal with that fact instead of logging off. Come on you can do it. You already taken away our ability to fly with squaddies and friends and restriced as form flying in the arena of our choice.

I am sick of hearing the same lame answers. If we dont like the changes then yes we could leave. But if you didnt like the game before you should have left along time ago.

Hitech I went form enjoying the gameplay and having fun to sitting here waiting to fly with squaddies in an arena to be told you cant fly with your squad because I dont think it is fair you outnumber the other guys. Well HiTech stated once more take away peoples choice of logging off because they dont want to lose.

As Far as people complaining about the Horde. The funny part is you watch one side complain about the horde whilt he people complaining about it are attacking the same country the horde is. The Horde is easy to stop. Shot em down and pork there fields. Bingo Horde Stopped.

Yes I know dont let my rear end hit the door on the way out. But the sad part of this HiTech and Skuzzy. You are giving up on a Customer Base that has kept you in Business for years and you turned your back on them. Truely Sad. I can leave with the changes made before these. But even these are making me wonder if you had a nervous breakdown or are listneing to people who need to be lined up and shot for there stupidity.


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« Reply #427 on: December 12, 2006, 03:05:40 PM »
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john9001:  

Do not believe I have ever said that.

What I have said is more along the lines of it is not a simulation of WWII.

HiTech


HT I thought it was "This is a game, games are ment to be fair, war on the other hand is neither fun or fair"

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BTW:My thoughts on the changes
I like anything that will create more fights,  The ordered field capture did this.... But I feel that we have too many arenas... I like EW but the last few times I have logged on there have been < 10 ppl in there, so I find myself logging into the LW arena with the highest numbers... or just logging off AH all togeather....

Never the less to you and the crew mate, I know ya cant please everyone, just whish I could think of a good idea to solve the EW population problems....

Later

EDIT: thanks for taking the Perks off the TA152... I love turning and burning in that bird.... Just ask the poor soles I gave hell to yesterday

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« Reply #428 on: December 12, 2006, 03:07:56 PM »
From the man himself back in August of '04. Some of you will remember what happened back then. ;)

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Working together is not penalized. We are not trying to implement a system where consentrating your forces is hampered.

But it realy is a basic game concepts that all sides have the same number of players. If you don't belive that concept, please sight one case where a game is not designed with that in mind. And please do not tell me AH is war, because it is not, it is a War game. And games are ment to be fun and fair. While war is not ment to be either fair or fun.

With equal sides, doing what it takes to win , is what game play is. In AH there are multiple levels of winning, makeing a capture,just shooting down more people than shot you down, ending the war. All are items of game play in AH.

Having more on your team gives your side an unfair advantage to all other sides. All items of game play are effected by that imbalance. And there realy is nothing that the sides with less numbers can do about it. They can not swith countries to even the numbers, if they move to the country with more numbers it just makes everything worse. They could make a treaty, but that only works in a defensive mode.

Equal sides is such a basic consept that over the life of AH the sides have maintained a fairly equal number, the resone is realy simple, people have more fun when the sides are equal.

So now the question becomes not IF the sides should be equal,
but how to accomplish that equality with least impact to the social apspect of the game.


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« Reply #429 on: December 12, 2006, 03:11:41 PM »
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From the man himself back in August of '04. Some of you will remember what happened back then. ;)


Wait, no way!!!   you're saying that the "whorde mongers" had 2 years to "change it themselves", but "failed to do such a thing because the getting was good?!!!"    

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« Reply #430 on: December 12, 2006, 03:14:53 PM »
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john9001:  

Do not believe I have ever said that.

What I have said is more along the lines of it is not a simulation of WWII.

HiTech

I'm not claiming that this is verbatim but the famous statement was very close to this:
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Please do not try to tell me that AH is a war, it is not, it is a game. Games are meant to be fun, wars are not.

That is pretty accurate, minus the speeling errars.

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« Reply #431 on: December 12, 2006, 03:17:11 PM »
Some of you just need to get over it and suck it up.  The game is changing.  The game needs to change.   There are more and more people playing this game and others like it.   The games has to change and we will have to change with it.  If this game doesnt change it will die slowly but surely.  Someone will come along and make something that the masses want and Aces High will die just like the others before.  Aces High was my first Online game of any kind and it will probably be the only one I ever play on a regular basis.  

When I first started June 2001 it was a small group (usually about 150 to 175 at night) that played and most of those guys had history from other similar games in the past.  There has always been an issue of side balance since I started playing.  First it was the Rooks, and then the Bish, and then the Knights.  But it was never as bad as this last year.  Each side as had its turn in the bucket several times over.  Search the board, go back to 2001, 2002 the whines are there.  The answer then is the same answer today.  Switch countries.  Back then we all switched countries.  It didnt happen alot but it happened.   Some squads regulary rotated each month.   And lets end this myth that one country is better than another country.  Pure BS.  There is no difference.   Good sticks, bad sticks, noobs, horders, milkrunners, furballers, strat queens, whiners, generals, alt monkeys, every country as the same cast of characters.  

 As these games evolved there have always been basic rules for playing and then there were unspoken rules.   As the player base grows new types of players are coming up.   4-5 years of people playing Castle Wolfenstein and MOH online, Warcraft and Command & Conqur have grown up and now play games like Aces High.   They play to win and a lot of those games were side balanced.    

Hitech is trying to find the answer.  He's asked you all for input, suggestions even though he doesnt have to.    It isnt going to happen overnight, and not everybody is going to be happy with whatever the solution turns out to be.   Hitech makes a change and doesnt tell ya, you whine he should have told ya first.   Hitech tells ya hes gonna make a change, you whine.   Instead of crying about it think about how to make it work.  Maybe in order for Aces High to survive Mega Squads have to be sacrificed.   I belong to a small squad 7 guys 12 tops.   I also fly with a lot of guys that aren't in my squad.  One month I fly with them, another month I fly against them.  So what.  We talk, we have fun, we meet up at cons and have more fun.   Its just a damn game.   Instead of coming in here and trying to pick it apart why dont you try to help fix it.

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« Reply #432 on: December 12, 2006, 03:19:05 PM »
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Hitech I went form enjoying the gameplay and having fun to sitting here waiting to fly with squaddies in an arena to be told you cant fly with your squad because I dont think it is fair you outnumber the other guys. Well HiTech stated once more take away peoples choice of logging off because they dont want to lose.

Have you flown AH since yesterday? The only reason you HAVE to wait for anything is because you choose to. If you have flown please tell us your CPID, nobody named warcheif has flown this tour.

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« Reply #433 on: December 12, 2006, 03:23:06 PM »
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OK I didnt read the rest of the post on this topic. Half are kissing HiTech rear-end to the point of disbelieve the other half not liking the changes,


HiTech I am going to put this to you straight and forwartd. Dont call theses changes call them the death of squads changes. Instead of people forming squads as one of your selling points in your TV commercials it should say you can form a squad but cant fly with them when you want to. As far as the balance issue. Well when you created mutliple arenas YOU opened a can of worms. Now when people are getting the butts handed to them they switch areans which in turn cause the side imbalance. So are you going to make changes so people who are losing have to face and eal with that fact instead of logging off. Come on you can do it. You already taken away our ability to fly with squaddies and friends and restriced as form flying in the arena of our choice.

I am sick of hearing the same lame answers. If we dont like the changes then yes we could leave. But if you didnt like the game before you should have left along time ago.

Hitech I went form enjoying the gameplay and having fun to sitting here waiting to fly with squaddies in an arena to be told you cant fly with your squad because I dont think it is fair you outnumber the other guys. Well HiTech stated once more take away peoples choice of logging off because they dont want to lose.

As Far as people complaining about the Horde. The funny part is you watch one side complain about the horde whilt he people complaining about it are attacking the same country the horde is. The Horde is easy to stop. Shot em down and pork there fields. Bingo Horde Stopped.

Yes I know dont let my rear end hit the door on the way out. But the sad part of this HiTech and Skuzzy. You are giving up on a Customer Base that has kept you in Business for years and you turned your back on them. Truely Sad. I can leave with the changes made before these. But even these are making me wonder if you had a nervous breakdown or are listneing to people who need to be lined up and shot for there stupidity.



I am clearly doing something wrong.  I keep flying with my squad mates, and we always seem to end up in the same arenas when we fly.  Granted we go to the low numbers country every time.  Is this a mistake?

Help me!  What am I doing wrong?  I want so desperately to become a part of the 'Hitech is ruining Squads" campaign!
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« Reply #434 on: December 12, 2006, 03:23:25 PM »
my feelings on the MA are and have always been that the MA is more like a "top gun" school where you can fly different planes, try different tactics, improve your skills, the real "game" is the scenarios where you have limited lives, objectives to accomplish, orders to follow, wingmen to fly with, and you will win or lose the war.

The scenarios are the real thing, all else is just practice, so don't get so upset about changes, sign up for the scenarios and live life as a virtual WW2 pilot.  (more or less). :D