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Offline 1K3

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Russian evaluation of the P-39.
« on: December 10, 2006, 11:46:08 PM »
I wonder if there's a Soviet evaluation and data for the P-39

I wonder how much power/speed/rate-of-climb did the over boosted P-39 make.  How many pounds was lost from the original P-39 when it was stripped down of luxury equipments.

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« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2006, 01:34:17 AM »
Yes, those lux option turbochargers - don't ever need them.


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« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2006, 02:22:58 AM »
Why don't you ask Krusty.  I hear he has a chitload of P-39 data.
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« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2006, 11:40:54 AM »
Personal attack, diablo? Very uncalled for.

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« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2006, 03:22:26 PM »
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I wonder if there's a Soviet evaluation and data for the P-39

I wonder how much power/speed/rate-of-climb did the over boosted P-39 make.  How many pounds was lost from the original P-39 when it was stripped down of luxury equipments.


Here is a russian site with some data....it gives horsepower at 1420 and climb at 5 min to 4500 meters (2975 ft/m) P-39

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« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2006, 03:45:32 PM »
See my post in the wishlist forum, humble, I think that website's got wrong horespower info. Note it says there are 2x the engines? I think it's mistaken with the P38 or something. It also lists the cannon as 32mm, so we know it can make mistakes. The numbers listed, climb and speed, are only marginally above the 1200hp standard engine rating.

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« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2006, 06:39:49 PM »
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Personal attack, diablo? Very uncalled for.


You actually consider that a personal attack?  

Wow.

All I said was you had a chitload of data on the P-39.

A wee bit touchy don't ya think?
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« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2006, 09:04:10 PM »
Airacobras in the Soviet Union
Last revised January 21, 2003

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Over half of all the Airacobras produced went to the Soviet Union, and they were the most numerous of the foreign fighters in the Soviet air force inventory. A total of 4924 P-39s were delivered to the Soviet Union between December 1941 and February 1945, of which 4758 actually reached their destinations.

Soviet pilots had first seen the Airacobra in Great Britain, when a group of pilots was sent to No. 601 Squadron at RAF Duxford for training. The British had found the Airacobra unsuitable for their own use and were more than happy to turn over their Airacobras to the Soviets, and some 212 of the 675 Airacobra Is ordered by the RAF were diverted to the USSR. The Airacobras first entered service with the Soviet Air Force in May of 1942.

It is in Soviet service that the Airacobra was used to its best effect. Soviet Air Force military doctrine was that its primary mission was to support the ground operations of the Soviet Army, and the P-39 was a natural for this role since it had an excellent low altitude performance and was heavily armed. Contrary to many published reports, the Soviet Airacobra was not primarily used as a ground-attack aircraft and tank buster, although it is certainly true that it often strafed targets of opportunity. It was actually primarily used as a low-altitude escort fighter for ground attack aircraft such as the Il-2 and later the Il-10.

The Airacobra was quite popular with its Russian pilots, who appreciated its heavy armament, its excellent low-altitude performance, and its ability to absorb an incredible amount of battle damage. When operating at low altitudes, the Airacobra was often able to hold its own against top-of-the-line German fighters. Some Soviet pilots felt that the P-39 outclassed even the Messerschmitt Bf 109 and Focke Wulf FW 190 at altitudes below 10,000 feet. Some of the users of the type were Guard (ie. elite) Fighter Regiments 16 GIAP, 19 GIAP, 21 GIAP, 72 GIAP, 100 GIAP, 213 GIAP (previously 508 IAP) and Fighter Regiments 196 IAP, 255 IAP, 508 IAP (later 213 GIAP).  

Several Soviet Airacobra aces are known. Lieutenant Colonel of the Guards Alexander I. Pokryshin, a Soviet ace with 59 kills to his credit, scored 48 of these in a P-39. He was awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross by President Roosevelt. There are eight other P-39 pilots with at least 20 kills. Among top Airacobra aces were Grigorii A Rechkalov (44 kills) , Nikolai D Gulayev (36 kills), Ivan I Babak, Aleksandr F Klubov, Andrei I Trud, and the brothers Boris B Glinka and Dmitrii B Glinka

The Soviets preferred the 20-mm Hispano cannon of the P-400 over the 37mm of other Airacobra variants because of its greater reliability. In addition, the trajectory of the shells from the 20-mm cannon more closely matched that of the 0.50-inch guns, making for a greater concentration of fire. In the P-39Q, the Soviets usually removed the underwing guns or had them removed at the factory, preferring a better performance over the enhanced firepower.

The Airacobra remained in Soviet service well after the war was over. When the original US-built armament became unserviceable, it was replaced by the Soviet 20-mm B-20 cannon and the 12.7mm Berezin UBS machine guns. How long the Soviets operated their P-39s after the war was over is not known. However, it does appear that some P-39s ended up with the air force of North Korea. They saw some combat with the North Korean Air Force during the early months of the Korean War in the summer of 1950.

Sources:



War Planes of the Second World War, Fighters, Volume Four, William Green, Doubleday, 1964.


Airacobra Advantage: The Flying Cannon, Rick Mitchell, Pictorial Histories Publishing Company, Missoula, Montana


The American Fighter, Enzo Anguluci and Peter Bowers, Orion Books, 1987.


United States Military Aircraft since 1909, Gordon Swanborough and Peter M. Bowers, Smithsonian Institution Press, 1989.


P-39 Airacobra in Action, Ernie McDowell, Squadron/Signal Publications, 1980.


The Calamitous 'Cobra, Air Enthusiast, August 1971.


Airacobra Advantage: The Flying Cannon, Rick Mitchell, Pictorial Histories Publishing Company, Missoula, Montana


Bell Cobra Variants, Robert F. Dorr, Wings of Fame, Vol 10, AirTime Publishing , Inc., 1998.


P-39 in the USSR, Yefim Gordon, Wings of Fame, Vol 10, Airtime Publishing, Inc, 1998.


Bell Airacobra in RAF Service, Andrew Thomas, International Airpower Review, Vol 6, 2002.


E-mail from Franek on Soviet P-39 usage.


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