Das Newb + Tower + Chritsmas

[Shuffler]

Real Life... AH is a business
Real Life... AH is a game

Depends on who's boots your wearing.

The problem is not AH ..... it is user induced.
Completely impossible to please everyone.

As far as 2 weekers...... some if not many will sign up.
I believe they deserve the same respect and place in the game as any of us. There is good and bad in all of us.

As far as not changing sides to even out, that is a matter of choice that you have in AH. If you captured 2 bases and in the unlikely event the next day the map hasn't changed.....and you want to stay on that same side, you can.

HT on the other hand has a greater responsibility to the whole community.
The AH Team is attempting to adjust the game to even the sides to improve the game as a whole. A daunting task in any game or business.
HT and Staff are working to find the best possible equlibrium among it's user base.

I like flying P-38s, however, you may find me in a GV, Ship or Bomber from time to time if I'm needed. Some nights it's furballs, some it's hitting bases..... seems we have all kinds of things happening, all you have to do is locate what your looking for and join in. You may even hear me in LW rambling on about Typphies and spits and how they take no skill.... it's all in fun.... always said with a big grin...  WHY??? Because it's all fun if you make it fun.

PS I was Knit for years and never even thought of switching sides till joining the 80th. Now we change to low numbers and I have met the other 2/3 rds of the game I really didn't know about... good folks on all the teams. Now there is rarely ever a dull moment.

to all

[B@tfinkV]

OMG i cant believe i didnt realise sooner!!


Ack-Ack is nothing more than a shade account hitech uses to have a little fun on the boards.

[Simaril]

Sorry Lynx...

But are you saying that only one LW arena has people in it off peak? I never realised that.

[LYNX]

Originally posted by Simaril
Sorry Lynx...

But are you saying that only one LW arena has people in it off peak? I never realised that.

No worries mate and none taken .  

One arena maybe close to 100 folks other closer to 30.  Have seen LWo with 9 guys in it.  

[pluck]

Originally posted by LYNX
Am I just to vague here ?  So far the only counter to my ACTUAL point was made by Loser.   I'll address that in a moment.

Benny Moore, Casinoman, Fugitive, Simiril and Pluck please allow me to say your submissions are implying this thread is about me not wishing to change sides.  Our personal perceptions of AH rules or doctrines, weather a side switcher or loyalist, may differ but the thread isn't about me or you swapping sides, or either of us being patient enough to wait in tower. It's about newbies. I draw you're attention to my original words.

So...I got to finking. Christmas upon us. Influx of the newbies. Repeat cases of vet in tower and newbies on the loose...... Would it be fair that the "bread and butter" (paying) customer takes precedence over the free load... err I mean new potential customer ?

while i can appreciate new idea's and discussion, i guess i was taking this as, "let the noobs balance the arena so i don't have to."  forgive me if this was not the case.

as to the idea of 2 weekers balancing out the arena.  i thought ht already dropped them in the country of the lowest numbers.  i think it is also just a harsh stand to take against 2 weekers.  they were invited to play the game to see how it would be if they were a subscriber.  treating them differently would only be saying "this is how it is for a 2 weeker."  "once your trial is up, you can have the same advantages as everyone else."  it seems to me to somewhat defeat the purpose of having a trial to begin with.  however, i think having them rotate to different arena's and country's may not be a horrible idea either, guess it's just a fine line with me.  just my thoughts, but you have to cut me some slack when in the first post there is talk of not switching.....i guesss in hind sight you are just setting the stage for your idea; and sorry if i missed it the first read:)

[The Fugitive]

Originally posted by LYNX
....................I was like then I was .  Me thinking "hold the F*** on.  I'm paying 15 bucks to sit in the tower while some 2 weeker takes up valuable space".  Some kid, some 2 week quitter, the fastest nintendo mouse clicker kid this side of the 8th Air Force is "tooling" around and I'm sat in tower....

I'm sorry, the above paragragh sounded like a compliant... with the "rolls eyes" and "furious" face it must have really thrown me off.... jeez

You have to admit that you were upset about this, so you set your mind to find a solution that wouldn't put you out, just other people.... and measly little "two weekers" at that. Give me a break !!

HTC wants to KEEP the twoweekers around. Making their two weeks more frustrating than they can already be isn't the way I'd go about trying to keep new customers.

Again, this is a game, you shoot the red guys, and bomb the red guys bases, and capture the red guys territory. If you help capture A64 this morning, and Skuzzy reset the map at lunch and you logged back on to find your country is now in a different possition on the map and the red guys have A64, you wouldn't try to capture it again?

Its a game, hook up with your "mates" and go play!

[kamilyun]

Originally posted by LYNX
Kamilyun, Goth and Storch thank you so much for those valid points with
out which, some would think this meaningless.

Lynx, after seeing another rolleyes post complaining about changes I just couldn't resist.

I'm not one to bish and complain on these forums...I don't like seeing others do the same.  I understand that you're non-peak time, so some tweaking is necessary for "good" gameplay in low #s times.

I appreciate everything HT has tried.  I was 2 days away from cancelling my account when the 1st changes came out.  I've stayed and been playing as much as ever.  Not everything is perfect, but dang, he's trying hard to make the game better for the long run.  No explanations necessary b/c he (and Pyro) have been over this  before.

So when I see someone  I just start  and getting really sarcastic b/c you know....

it's just a game

and not really worth the effort to get all worked up over.

Today I saw a homeless man eating some scraps behind a restaurant.  You know how freaking lucky we all are that the "biggest" problem in our lives is a freaking video game?

[FiLtH]

Sorry Oldman...missed my blood pressure pills two days in a row and was fired up this morning. I've since cooled down.  

  You're point about the past days being the glory days for one person is true. I'll probably never enjoy any game as much as I did AW.

   This game could probably be set exactly how I would want and I'd still have nights staring at the moniter in the tower.

   Merry Christmas

[VVV]

Nice post Lynx. I'm with ya 100% on that one buddy.

[E25280]

Originally posted by Ack-Ack
No, people like you that refuse to switch sides to help even things up is the reason we have this new system not the other way around.  Just read some of HT's old posts in the ENY limiter threads.



ack-ack

With all due respect, I think it is you who have it "the other way around."

It isn't those who refuse to switch that are the problem IMO . . .

It is those who switched when their side wasn't doing so well that are the problem.

Those who don't switch now are the same folks that before the arena split would not switch whether their side was getting gang-banged or doing the banging.  

Imbalances become exacerbated when those on the low side say "screw this" and change to the higher side.  Yet you say it is the duty of those who stay on their side come heck or high water to now even it out?

My old squad was a perfect example of what I am talking about.  Before the arena split, if Bish were getting nailed (which was quite a regular occurrence), they would all up and change countries over to Rook.  They "rationalized" it by saying they were always fighting the Knights regardless of what country they were on, but they were still exacerbating the side imbalances by bailing from the Bish.  (One of the main reasons I quit that squad, btw.)

Here we are after the changes, and they are all still Rook whenever I run into them -- and usually in the arena where Rooks dominate.

So, if say only 50% of the player base has "country loyalty" (I would be surprised if it was higher than that), why should it be up to only that 50% to now switch sides?  They aren't the one that caused the imbalance to begin with.  They didn't switch to the already larger side.

My 2 cents, would be interested in hearing what you think of it.

[storch]

my dear lynx, my post was directed at what others posted and not necessarily your take on the "noobish solution" sir,  the thread rates a .  thanks for thinking it up.

[jhookt]

how many more threads must lynx post before he gets dubbed the troll king?

[LYNX]

by Pluck
as to the idea of 2 weekers balancing out the arena. i thought ht already dropped them in the country of the lowest numbers.

That's as I understand it.  However, once a knight always a knight syndrome.  When newbies arrive they don't think to change sides because of imbalance.  They tend to stay on their original team.  I am just punting an idea that helps side balance, helps newbies see more of this community, inconveniences paying customers least and helps HTC long term goals/ bottom line.

however, i think having them rotate to different arena's and country's may not be a horrible idea either, guess it's just a fine line with me.

Absolutely point taken on "fine line".  There are numerous ways to implement the opportunity.  Could auto rota newbies daily.  Could spread them to lowest sides on a 60 / 40 split. The point is they get to get around while new.  Remember that they don't know any different.  They become conditioned.  They will be more receptive to balancing. When 2 weeks are up they get to pick a side of their choice, if indeed, that's their choice. They also have a "sign up / buy it now" option..... Thanks Pluck

by The Fugitive
I'm sorry, the above paragragh sounded like a compliant... with the "rolls eyes" and "furious" face it must have really thrown me off.... jeez

Yet you read this --->Oh well, happy endings was cleared for "take off" inside 3 minutes.   but ignored it ?  Sorry mate I was setting a scene ...." thrown me off.... jeez" "  Sorry chap but I'm afraid so or it seems so to me.

so you set your mind to find a solution that wouldn't put you out, just other people.... and measly little "two weekers" at that. Give me a break !!

I'v covered this in other replies and here to Pluck.  My perceived vendetta to newbies is looking more favourable for us and HTC than an ability, break or otherwise, to kick a newbie.

HTC wants to KEEP the twoweekers around. Making their two weeks more frustrating than they can already be isn't the way I'd go about trying to keep new customers.

Again covered in other replies.  You are talking from the old perspective.  From a position of knowing things differently to that of a newbie.  You are NOT a newbie so therefore you know different.  You have  experienced another way of being a newbie.  Our new newbies won't have your experience so therefore won't be frustrated.  They'll be aware they're newbies, aware it's 2 weeks free, aware they'll be placed in all sides, aware they can go where ever after the 2 weeks and aware of the "SIGN UP NOW", if they so desperately want to join a side and or squad......caaaching

As for "isn't the way I'd go about trying to keep new customers."  I could really take this one to task but it's not what this threads about....

Kamilyun ...Thanks for the reply.  Seems I didn't represent myself clearly from the get go.  It's more a way of utilising the newbie asset than my indignation to being stuck in tower.

[The Fugitive]

I think I am very much looking at this from a newbies point of view.

Today a newbie signs on as a Bish. He of course has questions, and begins asking them. Hopefully some fellow countrymen help, we all know a number of them are going to go with the "ATL F4" answer, hence the added frustration. Of those that help, the new guy will start making friend, and with in a few minutes those with the wise crack answers lay off. The experiance starts to turn toward fun.

Next day, newbie signs on and now hes a Rook. Again, when he asks a few questions he'll have to start all over again. He''l have to weed out helpfull answers from all the wise cracks again. So he's back with the frustration again.

By NOT being able to stay with one country for that first two weeks he's always going to seem to be the "new guy" as nobody will remember him. I know on my first two weeks I was on everyday, at around the same time, and I hooked up with the same general group. Lucky for me they were helpfull and made it much easier to make the switch from AW to AH.

At this point its no longer important as HT has turned off the "queue" while testing the new capture system. I think the thing that gets me most about posts like this are people "suggesting" ways to fix this when if they weren't so stubborn them selves that could switch to a different country, or arena and they IS no problem.

[Goth]

Ok Lynx, I'll try to provide a more productive answer here.

As a long time rook, you know the I used to fly rook exclusively since I joined AH back in tour 13 (or whatever). Being on the rook side that long, I enjoyed hanging around quite a number of players.

Then the arena split came about and Helm and I wanted to fly MW. Well, as you probably know, MW was dominated by rooks from the begining, so we decided that this was the prime opportunity to switch sides to the knights, something we thought would only be temporary until the sides balanced out. But balance never came.

So now, HT has implemented a balance forcer, which I don't think was a bad idea at all. Helm and I have gotten to know a few knights, and like the other night, we had some really fun fights against storch and friends. There was even a little good humored banter on 200 between me and them, not the usual mean spirited arguments.

What I am seeing now, though I haven't logged on in a few days, is that at least in the MW, #'s are balancing out. Also, while your initial post suggested a cure, I viewed it as a disguised reasoning for you not to switch from the rooks. I still think you're trying to swim upstream instead of letting the current carry you.

It's a game. I've found out that the knights are not the great evil I used to think they are. I don't want to fly with numbers of 15 against 1, I would rather be the 1 against 15. Do I miss the crazy accents of you and jd, sure and maybe I'll come visit once in a while, but for now, I am having fun adapting to the changes instead of bucking the system.