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« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2006, 12:55:48 PM »
Now those la7 pilots wondering why their la7 isnt that sexy. :D


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« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2006, 12:58:31 PM »
Yes, Russia has improved their aircraft considerably since their miserable efforts during the Second World War.

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« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2006, 02:29:55 PM »
Mig 29?

Whatched one performing it "thrust vectoring tricks" this year at Fairford...........

Manouver called the "cobra" pretty impressive
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« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2006, 05:35:51 PM »
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Yes, Russia has improved their aircraft considerably since their miserable efforts during the Second World War.


Yak3, Yak9, La5 & La7 were all first class fighters, & would have given any Brit or US plane a run for their money at low to medium altitude which is where they were designed to fight.
The reason the La7 gets so much stick in AH is because it's such a good plane - easy kills for anyone -  if we assume HT modelling is accurate.
German fighter pilots were told not to engage Yak3 unless couldn't avoid.
Main problem with Russians, especially early on was poor quality & training of pilots. OK, early VVS planes were poor but P40 & F4f weren't exactly world beaters.
I use the Yak9u quite a bit & imho it's as good an all round fighter as any as modelled in AH; does nothing brilliantly, but everything well, so can often exploit other guy's weaknesses.

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« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2006, 05:54:58 PM »
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Mig 29?

Whatched one performing it "thrust vectoring tricks" this year at Fairford...........

Manouver called the "cobra" pretty impressive


I think thats an Su-37, upgraded version of the Su-27 Flanker. About twice the size of a MiG-29 and just as nimble.


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« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2006, 08:06:09 PM »
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Yak3, Yak9, La5 & La7 were all first class fighters, & would have given any Brit or US plane a run for their money at low to medium altitude which is where they were designed to fight.
The reason the La7 gets so much stick in AH is because it's such a good plane - easy kills for anyone -  if we assume HT modelling is accurate.
German fighter pilots were told not to engage Yak3 unless couldn't avoid.


You'll excuse me if I don't believe such stuff coming from a Communist country - as a matter of fact, "the" Communist country, the Soviet Union.  They make the Germans look positively honest about their test data.  And the reason Germans were not to engage the Yak was because the Me-109 was even more unmaneuverable than the Russian junk.

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« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2006, 08:13:09 PM »
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You'll excuse me if I don't believe such stuff coming from a Communist country - as a matter of fact, "the" Communist country, the Soviet Union.  They make the Germans look positively honest about their test data.  And the reason Germans were not to engage the Yak was because the Me-109 was even more unmaneuverable than the Russian junk.



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« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2006, 08:16:52 PM »
I can only hope he is just trolling...
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« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2006, 09:07:45 PM »
I remember reading a story about P-38s meeting Yaks, when the war was over.  I dont remember the out come or the story. If my memory serves me right I believe the 38s had a hard time with the Yaks (not sure)...  I know some of you know this story.  Could you please clear it up for me.
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« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2006, 09:25:27 PM »
Yes that is an Su-37....what us westerners call the Terminator :)

Might I also point out that the Russians have been able to consistently create fighters that are a match for pretty much anything we have?

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« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2006, 10:16:50 PM »
IMO .... Yep...they copy stuff well ;-)  (see B-29 opps TU-4)

Serioulsy, the Soviets "were" very handy at "Making Do" with what they had.  The Mig-25 used highly advanced "tube" manufacturing to withstand high altitude temperatures.   A Very nifty problem detection system for gound maintenance crews and where aerodynamics weren't important, exposed rivets.   And if the missles and guns didn't kill ya...the radar could ;-)  Shielding?  whats that?

Its low alt performance couldn't touch an F-15, however once it hit 40,000+ feet it could out perform the F15 hands down.   Of course, this is what it was designed for, B-52 bomber interception.

The dominance factor of Jet Fighters these days has very little to do with the Jets Dog Fighting (that is last resort tactic these days)  but more to do with the Missles, on-board avionics and counter measures.  Being able to track 8+ separate targets and shoot them down from 80 miles out ( see F-14 Tomcat) was why the Soviets built so damn many Migs.  They figured if they launched 10 v 1 they would win the 2 v 1 that was left.

       "Quantity has a quality all its own."  - Stalin

China aided them greatly in the 80's when the Sino-Soviet realations reached a point that allowed some exchanges of technologies.  With the technilogical advances in the computer control systems and avionics the Soviet aircraft became much more capable with features like thrust vectoring, computer aided flight controls and multi-target fire control systems.  

The biggest difference in mindsets was:  The Soviets built for special purposes the US started building for Multi-Purpose-Use (see defunct F-20 and F-35 Joint Strike Fighter....argh  ;-(  )  

Since the last Soviet/Russian planes manufactured were back in the 90's there have been no significant advances in last 10 years.   Now the competition is between the US and the EU ( see EuroFighter ).     Which fighter is more generic THAT is the question? ;-P

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« Reply #12 on: December 18, 2006, 12:44:49 AM »
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another brainwashed tardling...


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« Reply #13 on: December 18, 2006, 12:49:15 AM »
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« Reply #14 on: December 18, 2006, 12:51:26 AM »
Call me a liar, will you?  Stinking Kraut!

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I remember reading a story about P-38s meeting Yaks, when the war was over.  I dont remember the out come or the story. If my memory serves me right I believe the 38s had a hard time with the Yaks (not sure)...  I know some of you know this story.  Could you please clear it up for me.


Two P-38s were lost, but two Yaks were lost also.  The Yaks had superior numbers and the advantages of surprise and flak support.