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Offline PapaFox

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« on: December 06, 2000, 09:10:00 PM »
I've heard that the Dish Network (dishnetwork.com) is offering two-way broadband satellite internet service. It just began. Has anyone tried it yet? Specifically, is the connect any good when used with AH? Two friends stand by waiting for an answer.

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« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2000, 10:10:00 PM »
 I couldn't think of a worse type of connection for gaming.

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« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2000, 01:17:00 PM »
I couldn't think of a worse type of connection for gaming.
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« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2000, 03:51:00 PM »
What he means is that most sat. systems are asynchronous.  That is they use different routes for the incoming and outgoing data, and those routes move at different speeds.  Normally your incoming or download is via sat. at about 400 kbps, while your outgoing or upload is via regular modem at about 32 Kbps.  In a game like Aces High having a problem with either of those two parts of your route will cause issues.  Having your incoming and outgoing data streams take different routes tends to cause connection problems with games like AH that rely on a high quality connection.

In this regard, cable and dsl systems tend to be superior.  Most of them have upload and download speeds that are both fast enough to not be an issue, and route both streams of data takes is usually the same.

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« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2000, 03:52:00 PM »
I just re-read that post.  Two-way sat. connect?  How does that work?  You mean you actually have a ground station that sends data up to the sat. itself?  If so, it's a new technology to me.  It also may be that the normal problems with sat. network connects don't apply.

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« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2000, 04:32:00 PM »
make sure bad weather won't affect it as is the case in FL with DSS and the default 18" dish.

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« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2000, 05:20:00 PM »
 All of the above and more.  I work for one of the major telecom firms. You do not even want voice going over sattelite if you do not have to. The delay from you on the ground, to the satelite and back down again to the destination is far worse than if you were using a landline. Or vice versa.
 Video is fine. Three seconds or more delay in what you see is barely noticable on a live event, let alone watching a pre-recorded program or movie. It's not interactive or require fast two-way communication.
 A signal going from NY to San Fran or Tokyo via landline/undesea fiber will beat a signal from NY to San Fran/Tokyo via satellite hands down - no contest. I real-time, online gaming you want as little delay as you can possibly get.

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« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2000, 08:14:00 PM »
"In this regard, cable and dsl systems tend to be superior."
Lephturn

Darn, I was putting my hopes on the satellite internet service. Heck, they don't even pump water where I live.

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« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2000, 10:24:00 PM »
In my area they have a service called LOOK.  Its basically microwave service similar to the minidish tv services.  They advertise 3mbps download and 2 way wireless.  As soon as the tower goes up within sight (these systems are line of sight dependent) I am gonna try the service out.
The problem with 2 way satellite service is latency... the signal has to travel 100's of miles, mebbe thousands through bad weather and the big hole in the atmosphere.
Satellite will be fine fer surfing, but likely suck bad for gaming.
The line of sight microwave service maybe a good alternative. we'll see

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« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2000, 06:50:00 AM »
Ahhh, it's a latency issue.  A 3 second lag would really suck.  In this regard a regular 36k modem would out-perform it for gaming.

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« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2000, 07:22:00 PM »
Ahhh physics.  Remember, the speed of light is not infinite.

It takes light approximately 7.92 micro-seconds to cover 1 mile (about 1.5ns/foot).

How high are those geosynchronous satellites?  I believe they orbit at 22,500 miles above the earth.

So that would mean a bit of data would have to cover at least 45,000 miles between to land points.

That translates to roughly 3.564 seconds.

To cover a land based connection from NY to SF (roughly 2300 miles) it would only take about 0.18 seconds.

Big difference for a real time anything.

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« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2000, 10:16:00 PM »
I have a friend that has been in the pilot of this program.  It is the ONLY type of high speed connects we can get in this area.  He has great downloads and no downtimes due to weather yet.  Here is the catch as Skuzzy said.  900ms + pings from him to the server.  After that it is fine but 900ms+ to the server.  Talk about ungameable unless ya like yahoo ;p

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« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2000, 09:03:00 AM »
 It would make a great porn-pipe. But not something for real time interaction.

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« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2000, 07:08:00 AM »
LOL Westy!

Hahaha.  Porn-pipe.

You could start a new sat. net service with just that marketing slant.  LOL, I bet you'd make millions.  

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Though you may be thrown over by Tabby and Rover, You'll never go wrong with a pig, a pig,
You'll never go wrong with a pig!" -- Thomas Pynchon, "Gravity's Rainbow"

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« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2000, 09:24:00 AM »
'We'd' make millions   Let's do it!  lol

-Westy