A P38G driver's favorite place to be....

[Tilt]

Originally posted by Guppy35
and he's at 150  

Spit 16 mixing it down to 150 with a P38:rolleyes:

He was basically out of options............... once you were saddled up.



btw which way were you rolling?

[Guppy35]

Originally posted by Tilt
Spit 16 mixing it down to 150 with a P38:rolleyes:

He was basically out of options............... once you were saddled up.



btw which way were you rolling?

Left wing is headed down.  I ended up below and behind

[Shuffler]

Giddiyup spitty

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by DEMONSLAYER
pretty sad on the spits part lol. going left he would have been dead. the only solution for this guy was to pull strait up and do a loop/ horseshoe stall. right over guppy's slow p38g that's what i would have done. or i would have ropped him from that position. guppy would have never been able to follow. but hey that's just me.

I disagree, Corky is inverted.   That is time Corky will have to waste, to "right the ship", giving the Spit a few seconds on him.   IMO, Corky, while slowing down good, "gave the fight away" by doing that.   BUT, the Spit did NOT "take advantage, and probably didn't see it."  Therefore, Corky beat him down.  

Personally, I'd have looped, Corky probably would have rolled and extended.   Just a guess though.  

Had the Spit gone right, left, or up.  Corky is "for that moment" forced to "extend" or "fight the Spit's fight briefly."   But then again, BugsBunny said I suck, so why bother trying to explain it.

[SteveBailey]

Originally posted by DEMONSLAYER
pretty sad on the spits part lol. going left he would have been dead.  

Funny, I see this as about his only option unless he had enough E advantage over the 38 to loop or rope(again to the left). With the 38's nose angled to the right, a move that way would play into a gun solution for  the 38.

[Golfer]

what's a horseshoe stall?

[Gloves]

Originally posted by Golfer
what's a horseshoe stall?

It's where you climb straight up, then just as you're about to loose airspeed, pull back a little more.  This causes the horseshoe sitting on your dash to fall back and hit you in the head.

Glove

[SteveBailey]

Originally posted by Gloves
It's where you climb straight up, then just as you're about to loose airspeed, pull back a little more.  This causes the horseshoe sitting on your dash to fall back and hit you in the head.

Glove

[BaldEagl]

Actually the Spits in a good position.  He's totally won the wing orientation battle and almost no matter when he breaks, as long as its pulling the stick back, the P-38 is going to temporarily lose him trying to re-orient to the break.  180 degree rotational difference is obviously optimal as you break under the other pilots nose causing him to at least temporarily lose sight.  As we all know "lose sight, lose the fight".  

The only potential danger to the Spit is a snapshot on the break but I don't know how much of a spiral or barrel rolling motion was involved here which would make a difference.

I'm also assuming the Spit has enough e to break effectively without stalling.

[SkyRock]

In the right hands, spits pwn 38's!  It's all about angles!:aok

[oboe]

Congrats, Guppy!   Nice to see Lynch's skin getting a workout!

[humble]

Originally posted by DEMONSLAYER
pretty sad on the spits part lol. going left he would have been dead. the only solution for this guy was to pull strait up and do a loop/ horseshoe stall. right over guppy's slow p38g that's what i would have done. or i would have ropped him from that position. guppy would have never been able to follow. but hey that's just me.

The spits going right in a continuation of a rolling scissors...left was his only real chance...up is worse then right...althoug he could tuck under. He simply does not have way past guppy in up, down or right thats not just luck. guppys angle AOT simply takes it away. Guppys 38 is midroll, its coming round faster then you think and spitty has no ability to top out the 38 G....at low speed guppy will eat him up before he gets out of range...if he even can.  Even if he sneaks by guppy going right he needs to convert to a spiral climb to have any chance...If he goes left then guppy is forced to either reverse his roll, continue to a vector/lag roll of some kind or convert to a hi yoyo...all of which defeat his current AOT so the spit has guppy on his 6 but has some chance to pull off "some pilot stuff"....

worst move by far is up in any flavor, 2nd worst is right Basically hea a drive by shootee cutting across guppys nose..."down"....at his current angle relative to guppy simply puts him infront of guppy....down left either by rev or vector roll...gives him best bad option and only chance to survive other then flying thru guppys shot...

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by humble
worst move by far is up in any flavor, 2nd worst is right Basically hea a drive by shootee cutting across guppys nose..."down"....at his current angle relative to guppy simply puts him infront of guppy....down left either by rev or vector roll...gives him best bad option and only chance to survive other then flying thru guppys shot...

When this pic was snapped, had the Spit started a loop, he will gain on Corky.   Corky, would have to complete the roll and then "choose to follow" or "climb turn".    Sorry, but the loop would have had the best chance of "turning the tables" for the spit.

[2bighorn]

IMHO
Spit: tightening towards right and up into high as possible scissors, that's opposite of P38 lift vector...

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by DEMONSLAYER
pretty sad on the spits part lol. going left he would have been dead. the only solution for this guy was to pull strait up and do a loop/ horseshoe stall. right over guppy's slow p38g that's what i would have done. or i would have ropped him from that position. guppy would have never been able to follow. but hey that's just me.

And most likely if the Spitfire had gone vertical as you suggested he would have also died, especially if he tried a "horseshoe" stall as you described.



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