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« Reply #30 on: January 01, 2007, 02:31:35 AM »
Oh btw, has anyone noticed that if you clear all the AUX tanks in 190A-8/F-8 the plane starts to shine like the 190A-5?

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« Reply #31 on: January 01, 2007, 02:51:31 AM »
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Oh btw, has anyone noticed that if you clear all the AUX tanks in 190A-8/F-8 the plane starts to shine like the 190A-5?


First thing I do is shift + F before I even start the engine ;)

Plus the F8 will pancake if you do some ground attacks with the aft tank full.

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« Reply #32 on: January 01, 2007, 03:10:56 AM »
I remember this topic from last year.  Did 190F-8 jabos used some boost that allowed them to reach ~360mph @ deck?  I also remember that this boost is allowed only to operate below 1km (1,000 meters) alt
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« Reply #33 on: January 01, 2007, 04:34:13 AM »
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oh and gimme the ME 410


Now, assuming the 410 is the one I am thinking it is, we will never have it for one simple reason: Those weird turrets in the side. Those (from what I have heard SOMEWHERE) would be very difficult to model into the game and such.

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« Reply #34 on: January 01, 2007, 05:31:48 AM »
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Now, assuming the 410 is the one I am thinking it is, we will never have it for one simple reason: Those weird turrets in the side. Those (from what I have heard SOMEWHERE) would be very difficult to model into the game and such.


that is correct but one can always dream. My p47N dream came thru :)

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« Reply #35 on: January 01, 2007, 06:00:45 AM »
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that is correct but one can always dream. My p47N dream came thru :)


Wow. Did you ACTUALLY just make that comparison??? :huh

lol. The N doesnt have wierd turret thingies with no visible sights... (Yeah, I said thingy. Its 2:00 am. Bite me.)

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« Reply #36 on: January 01, 2007, 09:12:22 AM »
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Wow. Did you ACTUALLY just make that comparison??? :huh

lol. The N doesnt have wierd turret thingies with no visible sights... (Yeah, I said thingy. Its 2:00 am. Bite me.)



lol... comparison? think you need to read that again :)

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« Reply #37 on: January 01, 2007, 09:46:04 AM »
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I remember this topic from last year.  Did 190F-8 jabos used some boost that allowed them to reach ~360mph @ deck?  I also remember that this boost is allowed only to operate below 1km (1,000 meters) alt


I have read that also, but I am not sure if the F8 in the game has it.

I think it was a slightly larger first stage on the turbo.  (I think)  :D

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« Reply #38 on: January 01, 2007, 11:12:52 AM »
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I remember this topic from last year.  Did 190F-8 jabos used some boost that allowed them to reach ~360mph @ deck?  I also remember that this boost is allowed only to operate below 1km (1,000 meters) alt


Hi,

at mid 1944 the 190F8 got a C3 injection, what allowed a overboost for 10-15min, below 1000m altitude, resulting in around 2100PS.

The 190A8´s got also in july 44 a boost, called Sondernotleistung or "erhöhete Notleistung", it was somewhat similar like the F8 system, but usable up to rated alt. In the "Bodenladerbetrieb" it got 1,58ata, providing around 2050PS and in the "Höhenladerbetrieb" it got 1,65ata, poweroutput 1695PS in 5800m.
This WEP was usable for 10min max, also while climbing!

I think the AH FW190A8 is a early one without this boost, while the F8 have it, what will explain the smaler energybleed and better sustained turn. Though thats only a guess!!
That also would explain the weight different between the F8 and A8, cause the early clean A8 dont had the extra plating, thought i doubt it was 300kg!!(extrafuel + plating could be as much)

The late Fw190A8 should outperform the A5!

MW50 dont got intoduced to the FW190A´s at any stage, only for tests. The C3 injection and "erhöhter Ladedruck" brought similar results for less weight and technic, thought C3 fuel was needed, but without the BMW´s couldnt give enough power anyway.

Imho Ah would need a 190A7 without the Boost and an 190A8 with the boost, to give a historical range of performence. The 190A6/7 and early 8´s had to fight the big bombergroups early in 44, while the much better performing late A8´s and A9´s, same like the 109G10/14 and K4 simply came to late.

Greetings,

Knegel
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« Reply #39 on: January 01, 2007, 11:51:32 PM »
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The late Fw190A8 should outperform the A5!




But the A5 we have in AH is not what you think it is...:noid

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« Reply #40 on: January 02, 2007, 12:21:18 AM »
What is it then??

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« Reply #41 on: January 03, 2007, 12:06:43 PM »
Going from old threads, the performance of our A5 closely resembles that of a flight-test using a G2 (g5??) that was ballasted to "fill in" the missing cowl guns.

Not really the same thing, though.

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« Reply #42 on: January 03, 2007, 03:47:19 PM »
I think most of us have seen these...

Yep, AH 190A-5 closely resembles that of
"EB-104" (Fw 190G-3)


climb



speed



REAL Fw 190A-5


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« Reply #43 on: January 04, 2007, 03:37:22 AM »
Hi,

the tested 190G is extreme similar to the 190A5 without the outer wing cannons!

FW190G
3850kg
547km/h sea level
663km/h in 6700m altitude
climb sea level at 2400rpm 16,4m/s
climb at 5000m 13,2m/s

FW190A5
4000kg
567km/h sea level
656km/h in 6300m altitude
3850kg (values in claps)
climb sea level at 2400rpm 16,7m/s
climb at 500m 12,4m/s

It looks like the G model had the bomb rack, what would cause the speed loss at sea level, while the G seems to have more power at height.

Otherwise both tests are still inside the range of normal performence variation.  

But anyway, the 190A8 with the higher boost should outperform the A5, specialy regarding its B&Z abilitys and this A8 should leave the La7 in a flat dive in the dust.

Greetings,

Knegel

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« Reply #44 on: January 06, 2007, 10:08:00 PM »
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But anyway, the 190A8 with the higher boost should outperform the A5, specialy regarding its B&Z abilitys and this A8 should leave the La7 in a flat dive in the dust.

Greetings,

Knegel



err how much power is AH 190A-8 making anyway.  It seems that our 190A-8 has the same power as 190A-5 but running at higher boost:noid