Next time you meet a wealthy person, thank them...

[Silat]

Originally posted by ByeBye
I wasn't rude, yet was moderated for trying last night

I guess it's not cool to turn his own arguments against him while making comparisons to Japan.

Must be nice to take shots at America from Japan. Japan has it pretty nice, sitting in the safetey provided by massive US defense spending ( paid for by US taxes) while Japan is not burdoned with maintaining much of a military.

In Japan, I wonder how perfect the tax system is. How perfect are the roads? How has the "employment for life" been working out? Seems the economy is hyper-regulated by a bunch of beurocrats. The economy is only just now comming out of a long recession.

I have read that in Japan, a foriegner cannot get health care without providinh payment up front, or having concrete proof that they are able to pay. The US, on the other hand, spends billions of dollars on the healthcare for illegal aliens.

And our roads are some of the most extensive and best in the world. Outside of major cities, how perfect are the roads in Japan?

I have not read about how many Japanese millionairs have inherited their wealth, but Im sure that its very few....if any at all. In America, apparenty nobody can start a business and makes lots of money withought being labeled a crook.

NUKE you do realize that Rolex is AMERICAN? Are you upset because hes posting from Japan?

[Silat]

Originally posted by bj229r
Class envy is inherently wrong and is not the basis of how our tax laws should work---forcing 'rich' to pay a higher percentage of their income to the twits in D.C. doesn't make YOUR life any better, and what is often classified as 'rich' would certainly surprise many of THEM--small business owners would usually fall into the 'rich' category. So many folks think anyone has has a few dollars more than them is 'rich', and needs to be beat back somehow. Donald Trump is a salamander to be sure, but passing a law to confiscate more of his money doesn't help ME any--(mebbe tax his mousse he uses on his hair), and is an unproductive course of action--As I said before, does this ring a bell: "From each, according to his means, TO each, according to his needs"

bj but the cons said if we give the rich tax cuts then our lives will be better:) And we are talking about the the top of the scale. Not the small businessman. That is the con of all cons.
And the figures say that if we didnt give the rich the Bush tax giveaway then we could pay for roads, schools and health care. Remember they control over 75% of the wealth. That is 1% of the people control 75% of the wealth. That is why they should pay more. They have more. Its really very simple but the reps and the right leaning media have somehow convinced their supporters that helping the super rich is the right thing to do. They dont need our help.

Please list all the rich (top 1% of individuals and corps) that built a factory with their tax break. And building it in Mexico or the 3rd world doesnt count.

[AWMac]

I love it when the RNC/DNC calls me at home asking for donations....

I ask them "Where were you at when I got laid off and needed help?, Where were you when I alsmost lost my house? Where were you when my Father died?  Where will I be when I die?"

I'm a write in... American Party.

Vote for a Free America.

Mac

[lazs2]

silat.. what are you going on about?  Of course giving the rich tax cuts helps us all.  Poor people don't hire anyone or create any jobs except babysitters.  what is the point of socialism dragging everyone down and killing initive?   60% of Americans are stockholders.

Roads?  we don't need the government to build roads.. they have proven they can't do it in any reasonable manner... we pay gas taxes for roads and they squander the money.   Put the money in a fund and bid out the work.

Health care?   just buy insurance fer crisakes.   You can buy it for $80 a month with a high deductable.   Next you will be saying we should buy everyone car insurance too.

All our "poor" people here are smoking cigs and buying $100 a month car insurance (with a high deductable) and living in section 8 houses and whining.  Pumping out kids they can't afford but feel we should pay for.    The government takes our money for schools and creates the most expensive and worst system in the world... take the housing tax money and give out vouchers.

All you want to do is punish.  that and fund more expensive and wasteful government programs that never work as well as the most corrupt private one.

lazs

[lazs2]

awmac... just curious... what party is the "free america" one?   what candidates do you vote for that will make you (and the rest of us) "free".

lazs

[Toad]

Originally posted by Silat
That is 1% of the people control 75% of the wealth. That is why they should pay more.

The rich DO pay more. A whole lot more. Or haven't you seen the stats?

[Shuckins]

For all of you twits that are constantly comparing America's culture and economy, unfavorably, to those of certain European and Asian countries, please remember this little country proverb...

"The grass is always greener over the septic tank!"

[straffo]

Originally posted by Shuckins
"The grass is always greener over the septic tank!"

Corollary : artificial grass imply septic tank everywhere ?

[Neubob]

Originally posted by Silat
That is 1% of the people control 75% of the wealth. That is why they should pay more. They have more. Its really very simple but the reps and the right leaning media have somehow convinced their supporters that helping the super rich is the right thing to do. They dont need our help.

Please list all the rich (top 1% of individuals and corps) that built a factory with their tax break. And building it in Mexico or the 3rd world doesnt count.

If you're categorizing everyone in that top 1% as 'super rich', you're deluded.

And even if you're not, I simply fail to understand how you have any entitlement to the wealth created and controlled by somebody else. They pay their percentage share, which should be proportionate to yours. They have more, so they pay more. Above and beyond that, any claim to their stuff seems completely contradictory to the concept of ownership. If you can prove criminality in the acquisition of any of the aforementioned wealth, go ahead and strip them of it. Otherwise, I see no logical reason to give you, or anyone else for that matter, control of funds and property that you played no role in creating or maintaining. It's not yours, so just pretend it's not there.

If you want to set an example and let homeless people into your home to give them a cut of your weekly groceries, your books, you DVDs and whatever other valuables you might have, go ahead.

Personally, I believe that the best people to control this wealth, are exactly those who created it. Even those who inherit their way into the top 1% certainly can do no worse than the federal government.  

Thank god for the tax attorneys.

[AWMac]

Why don't we just outsource all American jobs to the Middle East and Mexico?

Solves all the probs... Terrorist are too dam busy working the American Dream and Illegal Immigration is drawn to a trickle...

Heh, next prob...

~Tongue in Cheek Sarc~



Mac

[lazs2]

well said newbob..   it also is fair to point out that the biggest advocates of socialism and big government.. the gates and that other billionaire... they give their money to the charity of their choice so that it won't go to the government.

If they think taxes and socialism are so great then why don't the just put all their money into the big government pot and let the altruistic and wise government distribute it?

I haven't really seen anything that government does better than private industry other than make wars.   Wars are wasteful by nature.... A perfect fit for government.

lazs

[Neubob]

A highly simplified version of this thread would look like this:

*****A SURVEY!*****

Agree or disagree:    

I'm ineffectual and I want others to pay for it.

[FastFwd]

Originally posted by Neubob
A highly simplified version of this thread would look like this:

*****A SURVEY!*****

Agree or disagree:    

I'm ineffectual and I want others to pay for it.

Well, it IS ripsnort's thread!

[lasersailor184]

They have more, so they pay more. Above and beyond that, any claim to their stuff seems completely contradictory to the concept of ownership.

WRONG!


Any attempt to take ANYTHING from someone who is unwilling to give it is contradictory to the concept of ownership.

I'll sum it up for most of the people who get lost in that sentence above.



Any involuntary tax is robbery.  It is the definition of robbery:  1.  larceny by threat of violence

And for those unwilling to look it up, Larceny: the wrongful taking and carrying away of the personal goods of another from his or her possession with intent to convert them to the taker's own use.

The day taxes become voluntary is the day that governments cease to be immoral institutions.

[Silat]

Originally posted by lazs2
silat.. what are you going on about?  Of course giving the rich tax cuts helps us all.  Poor people don't hire anyone or create any jobs except babysitters.  what is the point of socialism dragging everyone down and killing initive?   60% of Americans are stockholders.

Roads?  we don't need the government to build roads.. they have proven they can't do it in any reasonable manner... we pay gas taxes for roads and they squander the money.   Put the money in a fund and bid out the work.

Health care?   just buy insurance fer crisakes.   You can buy it for $80 a month with a high deductable.   Next you will be saying we should buy everyone car insurance too.

All our "poor" people here are smoking cigs and buying $100 a month car insurance (with a high deductable) and living in section 8 houses and whining.  Pumping out kids they can't afford but feel we should pay for.    The government takes our money for schools and creates the most expensive and worst system in the world... take the housing tax money and give out vouchers.

All you want to do is punish.  that and fund more expensive and wasteful government programs that never work as well as the most corrupt private one.

lazs

Please link me to the factory that a RICH person built with their BUSH tax cut...