Add another CV to task groups

[Meatwad]

More escort ships would make it harder to kill.  Add another half dozen destroyers and maybe a light cruiser or two with only 5" cannons and multiple flak guns

[E25280]

CV AA capabilities are already 1945 standards.

Do you really want to inflict an even more difficult target onto the small EW crowd?


As for "divebombing lancs", a properly modeled bombay would be a better solution than hardened CVs IMHO.

[Reynolds]

I say 1 big CV, 1 Escort Carrier, 2 Battleships, 3 CAs, and multiple destroyers. Make TGs a *****!!! lol

[EagleDNY]

Originally posted by E25280
CV AA capabilities are already 1945 standards.

Do you really want to inflict an even more difficult target onto the small EW crowd?


As for "divebombing lancs", a properly modeled bombay would be a better solution than hardened CVs IMHO.

Amen to that.  I'd love to see the 4 engine bombers limited so that the bombs only drop from the bombardier position, and only when in level flight.  It might not be a perfect solution, but it would definitely help.

The twin engine bombers that can be used as dive bombers (JU88s, etc), should remain as they are (it might get them more usage), but any bomber that isn't rated as a dive bomber should have this limit.  

What that does is at least give the single guy doing evasive CV driving some kind of chance at making the bombers miss.  I still think that each group should at least be given the 2nd CA for additional ack support, and I wouldn't mind at least seeing how an uber-CV group of multiple CVs and cruisers would work.

Another good change would be to give the CV groups a greater radar range - say 25 miles to represent the radars of the pickets on the outside of the group.  If we had a bit more warning of incoming contacts, we might see more people upping to defend.  As it is now, when you see cons at 12 miles out, it is too late to get up and stop the incoming raid.

EagleDNY
$.02

[Denholm]

It is already a possibility to add more CV's, Cruisers and support ships to a TG. I have done it with a few of my "H2H" terrains. The problem is that HTC does not approve this for MA terrains.

I really agree with you eagle, yet the problem is that the radar on the CV is controlled by the "RadarRange" setting. It is a global setting for GV fields, Ports, airfields, carriers and all those other structures that have active radars. If the "RadarRange" is set at a particular range, the radar for all active scanning objects will be set to that same range. In order to do what you are suggesting HTC would have to make a few changes to the CV radar and add a new option to the Arena Settings list specifically for a CV's radar range.

[EagleDNY]

We had a thread on Radar a while back discussing this.  CV defense is nearly impossible with a 12 mile radar ring - IRL an american CV group would have radar pickets to provide the extra coverage.  

If we have to set the range of all active radars in the arena at once, I'd suggest we up to a 25 mile range on all active radars and see how that goes.  People can still fly under the radar, and the radar itself becomes more of a strategic target when attacking a base.  With a 25 mile setting you at least give the CV defenders a chance to up and intercept incoming attackers, and if they don't defend their CV it is on their heads and not a simple function of the game not giving enough warning to adequately mount a defense.

EagleDNY
$.02

[Denholm]

Well, why not up the "fighter / bomber warningrange" instead of the RadarRange? That way you guys still have the original radar settings, but the CV's siren activates when a fighter/bomber enters the 25 mile warning zone. That will also add to a little challenge in attempting to locate the enemy planes.

[Spikes]

Originally posted by EagleDNY
I sure do - there is nothing like a good CV group battle, and this would REALLY make a huge one.  One thing for sure, when someone calls out a CV group of 2 CVs, 4 CAs, and 8-16 DDs heading for your coastline, people will take notice.

The only thing that would make that better is a big fat Iowa class BB sitting there too.

EagleDNY
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Yes, they will take notice, when someone spots a CV. They tell their country/squad, then they send up a lanc and kill them, easy as that!

If their were 2+CV's, you would need more bombers or more time to hit all of them/more time and targets for the defenders

[Spikes]

Originally posted by EagleDNY
Amen to that.  I'd love to see the 4 engine bombers limited so that the bombs only drop from the bombardier position, and only when in level flight.  It might not be a perfect solution, but it would definitely help.

The twin engine bombers that can be used as dive bombers (JU88s, etc), should remain as they are (it might get them more usage), but any bomber that isn't rated as a dive bomber should have this limit.  

What that does is at least give the single guy doing evasive CV driving some kind of chance at making the bombers miss.  I still think that each group should at least be given the 2nd CA for additional ack support, and I wouldn't mind at least seeing how an uber-CV group of multiple CVs and cruisers would work.

Another good change would be to give the CV groups a greater radar range - say 25 miles to represent the radars of the pickets on the outside of the group.  If we had a bit more warning of incoming contacts, we might see more people upping to defend.  As it is now, when you see cons at 12 miles out, it is too late to get up and stop the incoming raid.

EagleDNY
$.02

Yes
maybe give the 4 engine bombers, say, something that dosent let them dive, like what we have, something that keeps them from turning to tight and stalling out

[BaldEagl]

My what short memories we have.

Back in the good old days of the big maps there were often times when 2 and sometimes even 3 task groups would be moving together side by side, sometimes even intermingling ships.  It made no difference as there were never enough PEOPLE to man all the available guns.

In fact it just made it easier for the enemy to take out two task groups while they were already there.

[Spikes]

Originally posted by BaldEagl
My what short memories we have.

Back in the good old days of the big maps there were often times when 2 and sometimes even 3 task groups would be moving together side by side, sometimes even intermingling ships.  It made no difference as there were never enough PEOPLE to man all the available guns.

In fact it just made it easier for the enemy to take out two task groups while they were already there.

Yes, but, the noobs, who bring lancs in time and time again, would have a tougher time killing the CV's because of extra auto guns. When I started out playing, I was a master at bombers, always asking when something needed to be bombed, then it was easy to kill a CV, more less it kill you, but if we had 2 CVs and extra crusiers/destroyers, more auto guns means less lancs 1.5K away from CV. I use your idea a lot. put 2 TG's together is good, hard to control, but good idea

[OOZ662]

Originally posted by VooWho
What kind of CV is in AH? If there is a second CV added I think it should be an escort carrier.

Essex class

[VooWho]

Originally posted by OOZ662
Essex class

Thank you. One more question, thats the biggest carrier type durning the war right?

[RAIDER14]

Originally posted by VooWho
Thank you. One more question, thats the biggest carrier type durning the war right?

I think so...

[OOZ662]

I believe so, but even if not, no Essex class carriers were ever sunken.