Author Topic: LA7 Ufo? (Read 3507 times)

hubsonfire · « **Reply #60 on:** December 27, 2006, 08:53:52 PM »

I remember your ID from the "Rat Bastards of America" days (I was still a lowly dweeb named "name" back then), and I think you might have been on a few times when I was flying with Shawk's squads (was probably flying as hub or hub7 then).

Since your return, you have killed me once, and you didn't do it from a disadvantage. I'm not trying to belittle your cartoon skills, but you aren't exactly flying recklessly. You fly "smart", and that's great for you.

mussie · « **Reply #61 on:** December 27, 2006, 08:57:16 PM »

Infact here is my actual Post from that thread Career Stats

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Originally posted by mussie
Its only the stats for this year tours 72-81 but I aint going to collect the stats for the year previous

~~YEAh I do suck but at least I shot him down ^~~

SteveBailey · « **Reply #62 on:** December 27, 2006, 09:01:44 PM »

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Originally posted by hubsonfire
I remember your ID from the "Rat Bastards of America" days (I was still a lowly dweeb named "name" back then), and I think you might have been on a few times when I was flying with Shawk's squads (was probably flying as hub or hub7 then).

Since your return, you have killed me once, and you didn't do it from a disadvantage. I'm not trying to belittle your cartoon skills, but you aren't exactly flying recklessly. You fly "smart", and that's great for you.

I remember Hub... I enjoyed the times I flew w/ him.... nice guy... that's you? Hello

I look for the biggest enemy darbar, take off and grab to 8-12k (sometimes I'm too lazy to go to 12) head for the darbar, try to get some kills and live.
Shawk is a good friend of mine but our mentalities are quite different. He'll get a group together, go to a base, kill ack and vulch drones before taking the base. I just want to find the biggest fight. You know, the kind where you have to use your Sa because there are so many planes in the sky... fun stuff! If that's flying smart... you got me.

dtango · « **Reply #63 on:** December 27, 2006, 09:09:54 PM »

Steve likes a good scrap

. I've been in many with him twisting and turning in *gasp* ponies

before he got busy with his little brood of kids! Fun shooting the tail feathers off of planes when P-51's work in tandem.

BTW Steve-o, not to hijack the thread but I'm told you're on a TV program! PM waiting for ya

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And sinner - I know you couldn't search but the Lavochkin-7 debate has gone on ad nauseum for years and years now.

Tango, XO
412th FS Braunco Mustangs

Vudak · « **Reply #64 on:** December 27, 2006, 09:14:35 PM »

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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Mussie, meet Steve. He likes to fly 51s in extremely low risk situations. Think GrmRpr w/o a sense of humor.

I know he's your squaddie and you're ribbing him, but GrmRpr can definately dogfight that pony... One of my more memorable times in the DA was with him, just upping from one of the higher-alt bases, getting a little separation, turning in, and knife-fighting all the way to the deck.

We each won some and lost some, but as I recall, the fights I won I had to bust my butt for.

GREAT fun

SteveBailey · « **Reply #65 on:** December 27, 2006, 09:22:17 PM »

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Originally posted by mussie
I have NEVER EVER in my entire time playing AH said that I was l33t or even good.... Infact In the "Career stats" thread my exact words were "Yeah I Suck"

Mussie, just to be clear: I'm not saying you suck... not hinting at it in any way. In the case of stats, the phrase "Numbers don't lie" can be quite wrong. I don't put much stock in score and almost 0 stock in rank.

Murdr · « **Reply #66 on:** December 27, 2006, 10:06:27 PM »

didnt take long to hijack this one

eh · « **Reply #67 on:** December 27, 2006, 10:12:09 PM »

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Originally posted by Lusche
While I would reluctantly agree to most points mentoined , I have to say that #6 is absolutely not true.
People vastly underestimate the dogfighting capabilties of the La7. It turns much better than most people think. Add to this the tremendous power, and you have a plane well able to get into a close brawl. Of course, you have to know to handle your throttle...

The La-7 has a vicious low-speed stall that eliminates it from sustained stall fighting in furballs. Otherwise, it can do alright if the turn fight is against one opponent, is of short duration, and you don't commit to going round and round with much of anything.

SteveBailey · « **Reply #68 on:** December 27, 2006, 10:28:48 PM »

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Originally posted by Murdr
didnt take long to hijack this one

Poop on you, Mr. poopybottom!

hubsonfire · « **Reply #69 on:** December 27, 2006, 10:44:11 PM »

Hi Steve.

I think you mistakenly lump everyone who flies an La into the "just likes to run like a little girl" crowd. I do fly it occasionally, and then pretty much just to make sure no one can run away, while I usually don't run from anything, with the exception being low fuel/no ammo.

You make sure you have some alt, we make sure we have some speed, so we're both trying to maintain some sort of advantage in a particular situation. Point being, not everyone at alt is "timid", and not everyone in an La-7 is "running", even if it's true for a majority.

stockli · « **Reply #70 on:** December 28, 2006, 02:42:22 AM »

Id settle if all LAs were painted pink and had a picture of rainbow bright in the cockpit.

Tassles at the very least.

SpiveyCH · « **Reply #71 on:** December 28, 2006, 02:45:04 AM »

Ever heard of this guy?

Ivan Nikitovich Kozhedub----

Kozhedub's WWII record:

* 330 combat missions
* 120 aerial engagements
* 62 enemy aircraft shot down, including one Me 262 Jet fighter. His first kill was a German Junkers Ju 87 "Stuka" Dive-bomber on July 6th, 1943.
* On one occasion, he met a flight of US B-17's being attacked by German fighters, and attempted to defend them. The American fighter escort mistook him for a hostile German attacker (there were many such mishaps because, from a distance, the Soviet La-5(7) and US P-47 look fairly similar to the German FW-190). Kozhedub had only one way to survive - by returning fire. That day, he shot down 2 P-51D's (one pilot bailed out, the other was killed). For decades this was an unknown detail of his biography.

Kozhedub was awarded the Order of Lenin twice, seven Orders of the Red Banner, Order of Alexander Nevsky, two Orders of the Red Star, Order of the Patriotic War First Class, and numerous medals.

Was known as the allied "Ace of Aces"

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Production numbers are all over the place. It seems 5000-8000 were built.

Platano · « **Reply #72 on:** December 28, 2006, 03:06:24 AM »

I'd settle for seeing lala's with brokeback mountain written on the nose

AS for them being a problem-no...

most of them dont know about throttle managemnet so their all easy kills...
the problems are the spixteens and the high 38's....

MrRiplEy[H] · « **Reply #73 on:** December 28, 2006, 04:25:14 AM »

The problem starts with relying on russian data. Russians have always been famous for giving fake reports of this and that to please the partyline. The original numbers are probably the least trustworthy.

Then are things that can't be modeled such as production quality, variation, design errors (such as i-16 weapon trigger that was so heavy to use that pilots missed their shots as their stick moved while depressing the trigger).

When the original source of information is nothing short of a fantasy, it's no wonder the plane becomes dominant when simulated.

Tilt · « **Reply #74 on:** December 28, 2006, 10:03:01 AM »

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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
The problem starts with relying on russian data. Russians have always been famous for giving fake reports of this and that to please the partyline. The original numbers are probably the least trustworthy.

When the original source of information is nothing short of a fantasy, it's no wonder the plane becomes dominant when simulated.

Fortunately this opinion is now in the minority......... we have russian data as equally valid as any data sourced elsewhere that shows both the advantages and disadvantages of the aircraft modelled here.

The La7 was a great plane interms of its stats.............

It was also

Probably one of the most uncomfortable to fly.......

......cockpits overheated due to the hot oil pipes running between engine and oil cooler causing cockpit temperatures above 40C in the summer

......cockpits were often subject to filling with exhaust gasses due to a poor seal between the engine compartment and the cockpit

It was also a throw away plane..........they were designed and built for a combat life of 4 to 6 months max.

If you wanted to escort or intercept long range bombers at 18 to 26K would you use an La7?

If you wanted to make long range fighter sweeps over France or Germany from remote British bases would you use an La7?

But if you want to be able to launch quick, fly short and strike/intercept fast at low level with the speed to disengage do you us the La7?...yes that is what it is best at.

The La7 was designed for the Russian front and that form of conflict is closer to the main arena of AHII than any other front during WWII.

Does it unbalance the game.....not at all ..............you see the stats above its not the most dominant aircraft its just the most "levelling" air craft.

Is its use disproportionate?

Well not as much as the Spitfires, N1K2's we see.

Should it be perked? well apparantly it should be perked after the P51D, the Spit MkXVI and the N1K2...........

Having said that I believe that a future ord perk on the 3 cannon version would be appropriate.............