Author Topic: Jeremy Clarkson-The Good The Bad The Ugly (Read 10241 times)

Skuzzy · « **Reply #300 on:** January 15, 2007, 01:54:42 PM »

And conversely Dowding, your 1.6L super charged engine would get mauled on our open roads by any number of muscle cars and/or hot rods. Keep in mind, most muscle cars and hot rods here are not production vehicles.

Dowding · « **Reply #301 on:** January 15, 2007, 02:00:05 PM »

My point exactly.

I see American muscle cars over here occasionally. They just look silly and out of place, clumsy and cumbersome.

However, if I lived in the States I wouldn't feel the same way and would probably try and own one. They are a good 'fit' on your side.

FastFwd · « **Reply #302 on:** January 15, 2007, 02:28:20 PM »

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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Uhmm,..who gives a rat's tush about the gas mileage of a muscle car or hot rod anyway. I do not know any wrench-heads who even think about the gas mileage (including myself) when tweaking up thier ride.

The answer to that is - people who, perhaps unlike yourself, have to pay around $7/gal for gasoline. Like many things being discussed in this thread, the various factors of vehicle ownership differ widely in different parts of the world.

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And tweaking an engine with a computer is pretty easy, but a lot less fun than the old fashion way. And it is also less about the mechanic/driver as well. Today's engines and all the micro-managment with the various computers have really removed the mechanic from the equation and a large part of the *mystique* in tweaking an engine. Now, anyone with enough money can buy thier horsepower in a nice tidy package. That's not hot-rodding, in the traditional sense.

It's called progress. I guess there are still some drivers alive today who miss adjusting the ignition timing as they drive along.

Skuzzy · « **Reply #303 on:** January 15, 2007, 02:42:37 PM »

And where in the U.S. do you pay $7 a gallon for gas?

I though we were talking about muscle cars and hot rods?

You can call it whatever you like to call it. It is not traditaional hot rodding when you hook a computer up and let it decide what is best for your car.

I am not opposed to technology. All I said was it is not traditional hot rodding and it takes away the mystique about it. There is a price for progress and in this particular niche, it happens to remove the man from the machine, which saddens me.

When I was racing my hot rods, I had several little things I did to my cars to help get a little more out of them. Those things cannot be done today. I miss them as they allowed me to put a little more *me* into the car.

I do not expect anyone who never had the chance to do that to understand.

texace · « **Reply #304 on:** January 15, 2007, 03:31:54 PM »

That's the big problem about getting into cars so "late." I'm too young to appreciate the time and effort that went into the classic hot rods. I love working on my car, but a modern engine is an entirely different beast than the old iron. I can pull apart and rebuild an Ecotec, but I doubt I could do the same with the big block mucsle I love.

THe curse of growing up in a modern age.

FastFwd · « **Reply #305 on:** January 15, 2007, 03:49:56 PM »

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Originally posted by Skuzzy
And where in the U.S. do you pay $7 a gallon for gas?

I though we were talking about muscle cars and hot rods?

Oh really? I thought we were talking about a TV programme produced by Jeremy Clarkson, which compares various Euro cars against American cars including "muscle cars" and "hot rods". I watched the video, and I must admit to being amazed when the 1.8 liter Lotus Exige beat the Roush Mustang muscle car.

Bronk · « **Reply #306 on:** January 15, 2007, 04:03:32 PM »

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Originally posted by FastFwd
Oh really? I thought we were talking about a TV programme produced by Jeremy Clarkson, which compares various Euro cars against American cars including "muscle cars" and "hot rods". I watched the video, and I must admit to being amazed when the 1.8 liter Lotus Exige beat the Roush Mustang muscle car.

Yea shame he didn't let Stig do laps in each car.
Would have been interesting lap times I bet.

Bronk

1K3 · « **Reply #307 on:** January 15, 2007, 04:33:21 PM »

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Originally posted by FastFwd
I watched the video, and I must admit to being amazed when the 1.8 liter Lotus Exige beat the Roush Mustang muscle car.

I'm not amazed. Mustang and Lutos are NOT the same class. That lotus is a 1000lb go-kart. That Roush Mustang belongs to the BMW M3 class. That Lotus should only compete with other go-karts such as the Toyota MR2, Honda S2000, and Porche Boxter. JC should have compared the Roush Mustang with the BMW M3 or the Mercedes AMG equivalent of the BMW M3/ I repeat, LOTUS and MUSTANG are not the same CLASS.

1K3 · « **Reply #308 on:** January 15, 2007, 04:34:19 PM »

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Originally posted by Bronk
Yea shame he didn't let Stig do laps in each car.
Would have been interesting lap times I bet.

Bronk

Repeat with me slooowly

Roush Mustang

and

Lotus

ARE NOT THE SAME CLASS

FastFwd · « **Reply #309 on:** January 15, 2007, 04:51:27 PM »

Quite correct - the Lotus outclassed the Roush Mustang - on that test.

Bronk · « **Reply #310 on:** January 15, 2007, 04:52:41 PM »

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Originally posted by 1K3
Repeat with me slooowly

Roush Mustang

and

Lotus

ARE NOT THE SAME CLASS

And it still would have been interesting to see the lap times done by the same driver.

That would have told a story of how good the Roush stang realy is.

Thats what YOU fail to comprehend.

Bronk

Bronk · « **Reply #311 on:** January 15, 2007, 04:56:15 PM »

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Originally posted by FastFwd
Quite correct - the Lotus outclassed the Roush Mustang - on that test.

No the driver was outclassed.

Real test of lap times by the same driver would have told a story.
I'll bet he did that also, just like the BMW vs Viper with lap times.
But since that wouldn't make for good US bashing TV we'll just omit that part.

You guys are funny.

Bronk

1K3 · « **Reply #312 on:** January 15, 2007, 05:01:41 PM »

The point is LUTOS and that ROUCH don't belong in the same class.

For a fair match, Lotus Estige should race a 1986 Toyota Corolla AE86 (hachi-roku). The Rouch Mustang should race the Skyline GTR.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=EFvI8B6nU84

Bronk · « **Reply #313 on:** January 15, 2007, 05:15:39 PM »

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Originally posted by 1K3
The point is LUTOS and that ROUCH don't belong in the same class.

For a fair match, Lotus Estige should race a 1986 Toyota Corolla AE86 (hachi-roku). The Rouch Mustang should race the Skyline GTR.

1K3 I understand the class difference .
But since JC thinks they are, wouldn't single lap times be interesting?

Hmmmmm

Keep dancing around and not answer.

Bronk

Skuzzy · « **Reply #314 on:** January 15, 2007, 05:22:56 PM »

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Originally posted by FastFwd
Oh really? I thought we were talking about a TV programme produced by Jeremy Clarkson, which compares various Euro cars against American cars including "muscle cars" and "hot rods". I watched the video, and I must admit to being amazed when the 1.8 liter Lotus Exige beat the Roush Mustang muscle car.

That is how it started, but the current trend of the thread had changed. No surprise there. This is the O'Club.

Why would anyone be surprised a Lotus beat a Mustang? Why would they even be compared is the real question. There is not an American car made which qualifies to run against a Lotus.

Anyway. Comparing an American muscle car or hot rod to anything from Europe is cheesy. Nothing from Europe fits in the muscle car or hot rod class. And nothing from the U.S. fits the high strung nature of the exotic automobiles from Europe.

They both are there for different reasons and for different types of driving.