Author Topic: Jeremy Clarkson-The Good The Bad The Ugly (Read 10221 times)

Mini D · « **Reply #45 on:** January 07, 2007, 10:33:14 PM »

You tell yourself whatever you need to hear to get over that one vulcan. Hold on to the different headlight theory as the bane of all vehicles reliability. That's a winnar!

Till then, I'll just see you as someone that got exactly what he was looking for in that show. Someone that got exactly what Jeremy was selling. You don't know any better, but that's OK.

Viking · « **Reply #46 on:** January 07, 2007, 10:41:31 PM »

I've already stated that my favorite car in that show was an American car, so you'll excuse me if I don't put much esteem in your judgment of my character; I'm not Vulcan btw.

I think the facts speak for themselves. Your 1991 BMW 525 was a POS. Mine is still running strong 15 years later with normal servicing and minimal repairs. Q.E.D.

Sandman · « **Reply #47 on:** January 07, 2007, 10:43:16 PM »

This thread sure tanked fast.

Viking · « **Reply #48 on:** January 07, 2007, 10:45:12 PM »

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Originally posted by Sandman
This thread sure tanked fast.

A US vs. Europe thread tanked fast on this bbs?! Outrageous!

Mini D · « **Reply #49 on:** January 07, 2007, 10:46:05 PM »

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Originally posted by Bronk
I don't know what he is getting at with the Atom vs Dodge Ram.

Largest impractical car vs smallest impractical car would be my guess.

The whole show was a hodge podge of crap and camera angle designed to convey a message without any real comparisons. This way, the rest of the world will be convinced the U.S. doesn't know what they're doing dispite the fact that they designed the engine in the Jag and Range Rover and built both that atom and Z4 stateside.

Clarkson can sit back and enjoy the irony while he cruises the country roads in his GT40.

Mini D · « **Reply #50 on:** January 07, 2007, 10:50:29 PM »

Whatever viking. You're little "built to lower standards" theory is quite a bit of crap and you seem to have been spoon fed every bit of it. This isn't a "U.S. vs the rest of the world" argument. I've not said anything other than most cars sucked during that "era" and provided an example that seems to have hurt your feelings. I'm sure there are people on your BMW forum that would support your views on the subject while they give repair advice to the others who were not so lucky to buy european spec'd cars.

Of course, I'm sure jeremy clarkson couldn't have found a 1 owner version of that car that was pristine either. But then, that's not what he was trying to do.

Viking · « **Reply #51 on:** January 07, 2007, 10:51:27 PM »

Aww Christ! Do I have to argue FOR you guys too?

The way I see it, you managed to build a car (Viper) that is just as fast as the BMW Z4 around a track, but is heavier, much faster in a straight line, and in the same price range. Not to mention it is WAY cooler.

There! I might as well just argue with myself.

Mini D · « **Reply #52 on:** January 07, 2007, 10:56:41 PM »

Intersting argument... say something completely false, back it up with something unsubstantial, then pretend you were talking about something entirely different all along. BRAVO!

Mini D · « **Reply #53 on:** January 07, 2007, 10:58:50 PM »

BTW viking, I'd be really interested in hearing how the size of a sway bar or the type of headlights make a car more/less reliable.

Viking · « **Reply #54 on:** January 07, 2007, 11:11:20 PM »

I noticed you didn't like 1990's 3-series much. Here's a list of differences in the different specs for the E36 M3:

http://www.bmwmregistry.com/model_faq.php?id=15

The US-spec M3 had different engine (cheaper, less power), different suspension (cheaper), cheaper brakes (less effective), fewer options. In all respects the US M3 was just a beefed up 325 while the Euro-spec M3 was a true M (designed by BMW's motor sport division).

Late Euro-spec E36 M3's had almost a 100 more hp that their US counterparts.

Mini D · « **Reply #55 on:** January 07, 2007, 11:15:00 PM »

I did mention them

What does any of that have to do with reliability?

Bronk · « **Reply #56 on:** January 07, 2007, 11:16:09 PM »

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Originally posted by Viking
I noticed you didn't like 1990's 3-series much. Here's a list of differences in the different specs for the E36 M3:

http://www.bmwmregistry.com/model_faq.php?id=15

The US-spec M3 had different engine (cheaper, less power), different suspension (cheaper), fewer options. In all respects the US M3 was just a beefed up 325 while the Euro-spec M3 was a true M (designed by BMW's motor sport division).

Late Euro-spec E36 M3's had almost a 100 more hp that their US counterparts.

Probably wouldn't pass cali emissions.
But I could be wrong.

Bronk

Viking · « **Reply #57 on:** January 07, 2007, 11:19:57 PM »

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Originally posted by Mini D
I did mention them

What does any of that have to do with reliability?

Perhaps that Euro BMW's are still running while yours are not? You tell me?

Viking · « **Reply #58 on:** January 07, 2007, 11:22:57 PM »

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Originally posted by Bronk
Probably wouldn't pass cali emissions.
But I could be wrong.

Bronk

The reason was "due to excessive costs for the US market with the original engine". Some special versions were sold with the M engine (a few were made in Canada IIRC).

Mini D · « **Reply #59 on:** January 07, 2007, 11:25:09 PM »

I'm sure they all are viking. Afterall, yours is. Mine must be the typical american BMW, while yours is the typical European version.

I tell ya what, why don't you go over to Germany and explain your theory to BMW, how the cars that they build for the states are crap and fall apart. See how that goes over.

You're being a bit stereotypical right now. That's why that show was custom made for you. That show is to European car enthusiasts what Hee-Haw is to rednecks.