FYI This is not a "HO":)

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by Suave
A head on is what used to be called face shooting. Basically shooting a guy as you merge.

Watch the film with trails on and you'll cleary see intersecting angles of both planes, which you wouldn't see if it was a head on "face shot" like you're assuming it is.


ack-ack

[Murdr]

Didnt watch the film.  At a glance this screen shot appeared to me to be an opposing two circle fight where the shooter had the inside line, and the plane on the outside line would never have a shot on that merge.  Defining that as a HO is obtuse.

Now the critics appearently pointed out that it could have been a situation where the other plane was trying to avoid a HO or collusion.  If that were the case they still deserved to get shot for avoiding so poorly.

[Suave]

A frontal shot, face shot, ho are all the same thing. The USN says that 45 degree frontal deflection is HO, that's good enough for me.

Some people get all bent when you call a frontal shot a ho or face shooting, I'm not sure why that is.

Kermit is right, you just took an opportunistic shot as your planes were flying in opposite circles.

A HO shot, or if it makes you feel better, a "frontal aspect shot"

[TexInVa]

Originally posted by Suave
You can plainly see it was a face shot aka head on.

For as many HO whiners there are just as many "was not a HO" whiners.

Wow.... Member since 12/02 and 2600 posts later, you still don't know what a "head on" shot is?

BTW, I'll HO you in a heartbeat, just because that's what you've presented me. I've decided that I can't beat them, so I'll join them. I know what a HO is, and that isn't one.

(Fortunatly, I can avoid getting into that position half of the time I up. I'm usually flying an AC with low/no cannons, so it's in my best interest to avoid going HO. But if I can't, I'll go down with all guns blazing....)

[Bronk]

Originally posted by Suave
A frontal shot, face shot, ho are all the same thing. The USN says that 45 degree frontal deflection is HO, that's good enough for me.

 

Link or some other evidence like scanned USN data sheet  stating same.


Bronk

[TexInVa]

Originally posted by Suave
Kermit is right, you just took an opportunistic shot as your planes were flying in opposite circles.

But Kermit made it sound like it was a bad thing.

BTW, I was never navy. My father-in-law was, and there are some things he says that just make me stop and stare. Telling me what the navy considers "head on" is one of those things.

"Flacco" considers anything head on a HO, everything else isn't.

[Suave]

Originally posted by TexInVa
Wow.... Member since 12/02 and 2600 posts later, you still don't know what a "head on" shot is?

BTW, I'll HO you in a heartbeat, just because that's what you've presented me. I've decided that I can't beat them, so I'll join them. I know what a HO is, and that isn't one.

(Fortunatly, I can avoid getting into that position half of the time I up. I'm usually flying an AC with low/no cannons, so it's in my best interest to avoid going HO. But if I can't, I'll go down with all guns blazing....)

I've been a member for years longer than that. And I do know what a HO is in real world and in dweeb nomenclature.

Mainly it's former AW players that are bitting thier pillows about what is or isn't a HO. Because AW was such a crappy game, HO shots almost never ever landed, they were basically disabled. When AW finally died the AW players came over to AH and pissed their pants when confronted with the frontal aspect shooters

This is turning into an entertaining HO whiner thread.

[2bighorn]

Originally posted by Suave
you just took an opportunistic shot

Most of the shots for most of the players are.

If you enter the time, angle and rounds fired of your shots into flight plan and manage to stick to it, then more power to you

[humble]

Originally posted by Suave
A frontal shot, face shot, ho are all the same thing. The USN says that 45 degree frontal deflection is HO, that's good enough for me.

Some people get all bent when you call a frontal shot a ho or face shooting, I'm not sure why that is.

Kermit is right, you just took an opportunistic shot as your planes were flying in opposite circles.

A HO shot, or if it makes you feel better, a "frontal aspect shot"

And that is not ment as an attack of any kind. He's an outstanding stick and seems to be a nice guy...BUT...this is ACM as valid as any other. A two circle fight is defined by its intersection just like a 1 circle fight is governed by forcing the other guy out in front or saddling up. This shot was set up when I declined the "looping fight" and forced him back to my true 6. So by Kermits definition the con had my "6" and simply didnt expoit it. I chose to "force" a 2 circle fight since it was the best option I had. He had every opportunity to deny that fight and force me back into an alternate setup. That "HO" took a significant amount of ACM to accomplish and was a valid shot solution. It was also the tactically correct decision. Since it was actually a lead turn which put me on the bogies 6 at tis conclusion.....

[Masherbrum]

If I didn't "suck in the Arenas", I would have posted something more constructive.

[Widewing]

Ok guys, pay attention....

This is an HO:


This is not an HO, but a close front quarter shot:


This shot, is absolutely not an HO:


Any questions?

Filmed during a TA duel with a two-round winner of the 2006 KOTH Championship... We had about two dozen nose to nose merges. We took every HO we got.  

My regards,

Widewing

[Bronk]

Originally posted by Bronk
Link or some other evidence like scanned USN data sheet  stating same.


Bronk

Still waiting Suave.


Bronk

[Widewing]

Originally posted by Suave
A frontal shot, face shot, ho are all the same thing. The USN says that 45 degree frontal deflection is HO, that's good enough for me.
[/i]

I understand your point, but I honestly don't care what the Navy calls it... This isn't the Navy. We set our own definitions. As long as I've been here, what classifies an HO is when both parties can get a guns solution.

My regards,

Widewing

[-SR-]

If you do not like HO passes, stay out from the front of the other planes. Otherwise, Blast away in their face. Kill em any way you can. Ram em if you feel like it. Any kill works. If you get HOd its your own fault. When you die in the animated airplanes, you get a new one right away. Don't cost a thing. Sorry if it takes the fun away from someone, that is their problem. The red baron took people out by coming in from the sun and other tactics. Im sure that seemed unfair to the people that feared him. It is a game, have some fun thats an order. Practice on your HO skills also. It can be fun.

-SR-

[herrhav0k]

In a pure 1 on 1 fight with no outside interference, on the very first merge I generally won't take a high deflection shot or any shot for that matter, just because if I were to land those shots and pop him as we passed each other, it would make for a really short and uneventful fight. Don't get me wrong, I don't think it's unfair to take those shots on the first merge, but I wouldn't want a potentially good 1 on 1 fight lasting only 5 seconds.

In a perfect world I'd like my opponent to do the same, but I know that doesn't happen much in the MA of AH, and luckily it is usually pretty easy to avoid.

Humble and the Lala had already been engaged when the shot in question was taken, and IMO anything goes after the first merge. Even if it had been a HO (it wasn't), all bets were off since the fight was already in progress.

My 2 cents