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Offline lukster

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« Reply #30 on: January 22, 2007, 02:49:49 PM »
Learn to play the guitar, that's the way you do it. Harps are for girly men. ;)

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« Reply #31 on: January 22, 2007, 03:01:11 PM »
Lazs,  I can pretty much agree with your whole individualist thing but I have always wondered how far that goes to caring for the sick / disabled ?

Do you believe there is any responsibilty for an individual in a community to provide assistance to some-one who cannot care for themselves ? I'm not talking about unemployment or welfare but care of say the mentally ill and severely disabled etc.

Is there a point where the individual must become part of a social community ? and if so at what point ?

Just curious .

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« Reply #32 on: January 22, 2007, 03:06:35 PM »




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« Reply #33 on: January 22, 2007, 05:56:51 PM »
In this case it is black and white:

socialism

noun
1.  a political theory advocating state ownership of industry  
2.  an economic system based on state ownership of capital

If it's publicly owned, it's socialism.

Laz, can you point out current day example of a successful country that doesn't have public education, public utilities or public roads?

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« Reply #34 on: January 22, 2007, 06:33:28 PM »
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In this case it is black and white:

socialism

noun
1.  a political theory advocating state ownership of industry  
2.  an economic system based on state ownership of capital

If it's publicly owned, it's socialism.

Laz, can you point out current day example of a successful country that doesn't have public education, public utilities or public roads?


"Industry is the segment of economy concerned with production of goods"

 public education, public utilities or public roads do not produce "goods".

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« Reply #35 on: January 22, 2007, 06:52:36 PM »
Without being patronising, Lazs, I think sometimes you worry too much, think too hard, view the world with a wary eye.  Seeing only black and white is to blind yourself to the colour which makes life and our tiny part of it, interesting and sometimes fun.

No one gets to live in their ideal world, not when we have to share it with other people seeking their utopian idyll, which may or may not be your private hell.  It's so easy being negative at times, that you forget the good things about life and your place in it.

I'm as guilty of it as the next man, worrying about things I cannot control and forgetting to enjoy what I have for fear that the enemy are waiting out in the darkness to take it all away when I lower my guard.

Sometimes you can just sit on the porch, dozing in the sun, with your gun and your fears, tucked away somewhere close but out of sight. Only to be used when the wolves howl in the distant forest and the 'Donkey' or the 'Elephant' start to trample your flower beds.

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« Reply #36 on: January 22, 2007, 07:00:17 PM »
"Sometimes you can just sit on the porch, dozing in the sun, with your gun and your fears, tucked away somewhere close but out of sight. Only to be used when the wolves howl in the distant forest and the 'Donkey' or the 'Elephant' start to trample your flower beds.'

ahh, tis a Irish poet i'm hearing.
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« Reply #37 on: January 22, 2007, 09:07:19 PM »
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Never owned or used a gun.
Never owned a car.
Live in a Communist country.

Still having fun doing my own thing, though.


Well, its good you are making the best of it.

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« Reply #38 on: January 23, 2007, 06:27:35 AM »
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"Industry is the segment of economy concerned with production of goods"

 public education, public utilities or public roads do not produce "goods".


OK smart guy, let's take away your educated workforce, the roads necessary to deliver the raw materials to your factory, and their electrical power and water as well.      We'll see just what is 'concerned' with the production of goods.

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« Reply #39 on: January 23, 2007, 06:43:34 AM »
Blue/Red, Left/Right.  These labels are as close to meaningless as to make no difference.  There's no way to accurately describe people on a one dimensional scale, you need to add at least one other axis.  Nolan did this on the (often posted) Nolan Chart at http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html .  It's not perfect, but I assert that it's a thought provoking concept that's worth some scrutiny.

One of my favorite quips about government is that 'Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for dinner'.  

Democracy is the worst of all possible systems...  except for everything else.  

It has its ups and downs, but I'd rather keep my involvement and risk the terror of 'the masses' than try to roll the dice and pick an authoritarian who I _hope_ will represent my views.
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« Reply #40 on: January 23, 2007, 07:30:51 AM »
I agree with Lazs..except the part about cars.

For me a vehicle is for getting to point B from point A..Cheaply & reliably.(preferrably a hatchback)

Money saved from this goes towards guitars & amps.
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« Reply #41 on: January 23, 2007, 08:06:22 AM »
cpxx... of course I enjoy the things I have... Why wouldn't I?  The threats are real tho.  Every year more of my freedoms are taken away or restricted by socialists.   I am lucky that even tho the community I am in is getting more blue.. It is a big country and I have means to move in a few years and be comfortable for another few decades...  I worry about the coming generations tho.

oboe... ok...one thing at a time then?  Public schools...  if the country feels that education of the work force and citizens is worth while then I have no problem with collecting monies..taxes.. to pay for it.   but... at present it is the worst of socialism with the worst results  controlled by the socialists...  In my example of a wastewater facility the same should be done for schooling...

People with children should be given vouchers to educate their children in any way that gets the desired results for learning...if they home school they could get that voucher themselves.  What you like is everyone being forced to pay for a state school system rife with corruption and waste and getting worse every year... the worst possible system anyone could devise for the money..

Oh yeah... you mentioned roads... same thing... enterprise fund...tax on gasoline... lowest bidder does the operation and maintenance...  we would have much better roads.

Anything else that we need big brother to run?

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« Reply #42 on: January 23, 2007, 12:01:52 PM »
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OK smart guy, let's take away your educated workforce, the roads necessary to deliver the raw materials to your factory, and their electrical power and water as well.      We'll see just what is 'concerned' with the production of goods.


Of course.  Because it is absolutely impossible for a private party to do any of that, right?
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« Reply #43 on: January 23, 2007, 12:30:10 PM »
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Democracy isn't all that it is cracked up to be.


This is true.  Especially as it has wound up, down, or sideways during our time.  It does beat over time any alternatives of which I know.  Very messily too.



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« Reply #44 on: January 23, 2007, 01:17:08 PM »
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we don't need professional politicians.


I could not agree more.