Author Topic: Global Warming (Read 16309 times)

lazs2 · « **Reply #570 on:** March 12, 2007, 08:41:15 AM »

even tho I applaud dowding on this one I can't help but wonder...

Does no one here have any opinion until they see it in a movie or a TV program?

Have we become so dependent on the visual media? I have seen outlines of the TV program and of the "inconvienient truth" even watched about 15 minutes of the "truth" on showtime till I couldn't gag another minute of it down.

Fact is.. there is nothing in either presentation that I haven't read already. It's all out there.l

But.. I guess you got to fight fire with fire... if you have a group of chicken littles all stiring people up about co2 with one movie.. then you got to make another movie to debunk it... just putting out the facts won't do... got to have screenwriters and cameracrews and lighting specialists and drama and makeup or it just won't sell.

I wonder how many awards the channel 4 show will get tho.

lazs

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #571 on:** March 12, 2007, 08:54:35 AM »

Fact

Even if it isnt hurting the global environment.
It is hurting our local environment. the air we breath, the water we now in some places cant drink.
Polluted rivers and streams.

All the crap we pump into the air and ground cant be good for us

Its worth doing something about even if it isnt effecting the global environment.

The only reason not to. Is industry (money)

I did catch part of a program on the Discovery channel I was only half watching.
they did bring up a good point
Reguardless of your views. We are conducting an experiment on a global scale on this issue. and reguardless of who is right or wrong we are going ot have to live with the results of that experiment.

Unless one has a monetary interest in just keeping things the way they are.
There is no reason to just bury ones head in the sand and say nothing is going on or we arent contributing to it.

lazs2 · « **Reply #572 on:** March 12, 2007, 08:59:44 AM »

You want to do as little harm as possible.. you want to be careful tho.. you want to be on the cutting edge.. the environmentalists want us all on the bleeding edge. they want panic.. panic leads to MTBE poisoned water supplies.

lazs

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #573 on:** March 12, 2007, 09:05:37 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
You want to do as little harm as possible.. you want to be careful tho.. you want to be on the cutting edge.. the environmentalists want us all on the bleeding edge. they want panic.. panic leads to MTBE poisoned water supplies.

lazs

On that point I am in complete agreement.

There are plenty of ways to help without going overboard.
buying less SUVs and big engine trucks unless they have a legitimate need (Sorry weekend deer hunting trips and bringing the kids to soccar practice isnt a legitimate need for an 8 cylinder engine)

Planting more trees.
Finding alternatives to deforestation
alternate fuels or cleaner ways to burn the fuels we have etc

FastFwd · « **Reply #574 on:** March 12, 2007, 04:12:33 PM »

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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
There are plenty of ways to help without going overboard. buying less SUVs and big engine trucks unless they have a legitimate need (Sorry weekend deer hunting trips and bringing the kids to soccar practice isnt a legitimate need for an 8 cylinder engine)

LOL! If that was to Lazs2, I think you just lit the blue touch paper!

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #575 on:** March 12, 2007, 05:47:54 PM »

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Originally posted by FastFwd
LOL! If that was to Lazs2, I think you just lit the blue touch paper!

It wasnt intended to be directed to anyone in particular.

but the vast majority of people who own 8 cylinder vehicles
Dont need them.
They have them just cause they can

Hell from what I've seen the vast majority of Humvee owners never take them off road

Rotax447 · « **Reply #576 on:** March 12, 2007, 06:13:07 PM »

As usual, Bozon, our physical sciences guru, correctly pointed out what actually drives our solar systems weather. Of course, the periodicity of this weather system, is measured in the hundreds of thousands, to millions of years, and thus is of no interest to the 'chicken littles' amongst us.

So, I'll ask the same question to you 'chicken littles,' that I asked on last years global warming thread.

As a middle class US citizen, my per capita income is $42,000 per year. How much do you want to reduce it, to curb global warming?

SteveBailey · « **Reply #577 on:** March 12, 2007, 06:24:20 PM »

Chicken littles

A few years from now all the global warming nuts will be on to something else but they will all swear they never said that global warming was a danger. Just like none of them wore rediculous bell bottoms as they danced to the Beegees in the 70's.

Jackal1 · « **Reply #578 on:** March 13, 2007, 05:34:49 AM »

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Originally posted by SteveBailey
A few years from now all the global warming nuts will be on to something else but they will all swear they never said that global warming was a danger.

There are many backup dooms day scenarios to fall back on when global warming moaning falls from grace. Last night there were two back to back programs concerning a couple of them. Both were researched and backed by scientists. (Read that "Paid lab coats"

)
The first had to do with giant waves and the coming doom for most of the worlds coastline areas.
The second was dealing with mega volcanoes and the most certain mass destruction that was headed for the entire east coast of the U.S. and cities in Canada.
There are many, many more. The "Ice Age" scenario is still flopping around out there also. There is still the possibility of the mass invasion and takeover from Mars. (Might be interesting. Never been with a green chick.

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I think I will become a "scientists". Seems like it would be very profitable to have on hand a generic paper.........maybe entitled " Sumpin Bad Gonna Happen Yall". Put this up for auction to the highest bidders and guarantee you can fill in the desired flavor of the day doomsday scenario of choice and you have a winner.

oboe · « **Reply #579 on:** March 13, 2007, 06:38:05 AM »

It is beginning to occur to me that Global Warming and the Global War on Terror (re Iraq) might be the same animal, just different stripes.

Angus · « **Reply #580 on:** March 13, 2007, 07:53:18 AM »

Here is Bush on Global warming.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1wogkDmLlQ

lazs2 · « **Reply #581 on:** March 13, 2007, 08:21:15 AM »

ya think oboe? and the war on drugs? The war on poverty? they are all a war on individualism and a war on freedom. Ya can't tar one of em without taring them all with the same brush.

angus.. so now bush is some scientific genius? He is wrong on everything until he gets on board the man made global warming bus?

dred... we can buy less SUV's? How do we accomplish that? You act like there are no other vehicles in the U.S. to buy.. Like we go to the dealer and all they have is SUV upon SUV and that you will force the dealer to give us a choice..

The opposite it true... we have more choice here than anywhere in the world.. what you want to do is increase the power of an government agency who can then force us to drive what they(and you) want us to drive. Vehicles today getter better milage than they did ten or twenty years ago and are far heavier with standard features on the cheapest that would make luxury cars blush 10 years ago..

This makes em heavy.. a tiny jap car weighs more than a 55 chevy. We have choice now.. You want to get rid of choice.

I say let the free market give us more choice not the government give us less.

lazs

Toad · « **Reply #582 on:** March 13, 2007, 08:31:34 AM »

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Originally posted by Dowding
Perhaps we should start talking about our 'sweat footprint' and introduce new taxes to curb our wanton and unashamed production of perspiration?

Do you think we could buy "sweat credits" if we were to buy Egyptian cotton towels to soak up all the sweat.

Seriously, I laughed out loud at the above quote. Thank you!

lazs2 · « **Reply #583 on:** March 13, 2007, 08:46:33 AM »

people are starting to get wise to the whole thing... It is like when so many were all atwitter at the movies of michel moore and and after defending him for a few months actually did some research and found out he.... like algore...

was a big fat liar. and that hollywierd was handing out awards to him (like algore) based on having the correct PC socialist stance on the subject and that being a liar was ok.

lazs

oboe · « **Reply #584 on:** March 13, 2007, 08:53:30 AM »

If you agree with me lazs, then why do you seem so very much more upset about spending to address global warming than spending on the war in Iraq?

What if 4 years ago, we had launched a massive program to eradicate global warming and by now we had sunk 750 billion dollars into it (the approximate cost I read today of both Iraq and Afghanistan campaigns), and still had not achieved any measurable, permanent results? What if the Earth was hotter than ever, and so Bush proposed a "surge" in anti-global warming spending?

Would you be more less upset than you are (if you are at all) about the wasted $$ in our military adventure in the Middle East?