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Offline Jackal1

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« Reply #630 on: March 18, 2007, 01:22:53 PM »
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...and just as dangerous.

 


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« Reply #631 on: March 18, 2007, 01:30:12 PM »
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The truth is always considered dangerous by those who wish to deny it.


Absolutely. If your job and lucrative government funding depends on it, you'll deny anything.

Even more than that, you'll create your own "truth", and denigrade all who question it as "deniers".

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« Reply #632 on: March 18, 2007, 01:42:07 PM »
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[e major role until quite recently. But over the past three decades, solar activity has scarcely risen, while temperatures have shot up - a fact disguised in the film.


From here: space.com

"In what could be the simplest explanation for one component of global warming, a new study shows the Sun's radiation has increased by .05 percent per decade since the late 1970s.

The increase would only be significant to Earth's climate if it has been going on for a century or more, said study leader Richard Willson, a Columbia University researcher also affiliated with NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies.

The Sun's increasing output has only been monitored with precision since satellite technology allowed necessary observations. Willson is not sure if the trend extends further back in time, but other studies suggest it does.

"This trend is important because, if sustained over many decades, it could cause significant climate change," Willson said.

In a NASA-funded study recently published in Geophysical Research Letters, Willson and his colleagues speculate on the possible history of the trend based on data collected in the pre-satellite era.

"Solar activity has apparently been going upward for a century or more," Willson told SPACE.com today."

It seems that the Sun's output IS increasing....

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« Reply #633 on: March 18, 2007, 03:36:28 PM »
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Absolutely. If your job and lucrative government funding depends on it, you'll deny anything.

Even more than that, you'll create your own "truth", and denigrade all who question it as "deniers".

Definitely. And If your hobby involves burning fossil fuels at a vast rate (hot rodding, driving 4X4 vehicles over rough terrain etc) you'll deny global warming, and look for a convenient falsehood.

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« Reply #634 on: March 18, 2007, 03:43:35 PM »
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Definitely. And If your hobby involves burning fossil fuels at a vast rate (hot rodding, driving 4X4 vehicles over rough terrain etc) you'll deny global warming, and look for a convenient falsehood.


general polosi flying one round trip from Cal to DC per week in a govt jet will put 50 tons of carbon in the atmosphere per year.

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« Reply #635 on: March 18, 2007, 03:54:41 PM »
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And If your hobby involves burning fossil fuels at a vast rate (hot rodding, driving 4X4 vehicles over rough terrain etc)


A hobby???


here we go again. Now you'll usurp a right to decide what's good for me and what I "really need", huh? Bug off. Leave your life as you choose and leave me to live mine.

Everything I use has a specific value and a specific price and I pay for it. I am the only person qualified to decide what I want and what I have.

There is no "need", there is only "I want".

Do you really need to eat three times a day?
Do you really need to wash every day?
Do you really need a TV?
Do you really need a house of your own?
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« Reply #636 on: March 18, 2007, 05:15:37 PM »
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Definitely. And If your hobby involves burning fossil fuels at a vast rate (hot rodding, driving 4X4 vehicles over rough terrain etc) you'll deny global warming, and look for a convenient falsehood.


What now, the hobby police?

Your hot air should be regulated.....

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« Reply #637 on: March 19, 2007, 01:45:18 AM »
ooh! testy, testy! I didn't say anything about giving up hobbies. All I did was make an observation - that people whose hobbies involve consumption of large quantities of fossil fuels are among the quickest to deny global warming.

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« Reply #638 on: March 19, 2007, 01:55:44 AM »
And your observation is based on what?  Gut feeling?

"Are those among"... who are the others in the group in which they are among? Vegan bicyclists?
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« Reply #639 on: March 19, 2007, 02:07:03 AM »
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And your observation is based on what?  Gut feeling?
No. Click on the number of posts link to this thread. It brings up a summary of the people who have posted. I've counted at least four (and there are probably more) guys who are into "big block V8 cars" and who have made more than a few posts in this thread denying that man has anything to do with global warming.

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« Reply #640 on: March 19, 2007, 02:20:19 AM »
Pretty scientific...

All the V8 Big Block folks need to  do is buy $75 worth of carbon offsets, and they are good to go.


Skepticism is a fundamental of the scientific method in everything but climate change.
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« Reply #641 on: March 19, 2007, 04:32:28 AM »
ok.  the human race is going to be reduced to a few breeding pairs up in the arctic circle because of muscle cars.  i'm just wondering if Al Gore can sustain that panicky feeling long enough to last him throughout the 2008 Presidential Campaign...
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« Reply #642 on: March 19, 2007, 07:01:17 AM »
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ooh! testy, testy! I didn't say anything about giving up hobbies. All I did was make an observation - that people whose hobbies involve consumption of large quantities of fossil fuels are among the quickest to deny global warming.



.............Hobbies? You mean hobbies such as frequent air travel , transporting goods and supplies to the public , the production of just about everything , construction of roads , highways , housing development..............or just the use of such things.
Those kind of "hobbies"? :D
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« Reply #643 on: March 19, 2007, 08:17:34 AM »
damn... didn't even get to nail fastfwd before you guys ripped him to shreds..

Yep... if I need to I can spend maybe a couple of bucks for algore newbucks carbon credits...  as the math works... the whole US could offset it's carbon footprint with algore math and it would be 15 billion dollars...  no problem... write a frigging check and we solved the "problem"

I have also noticed that the people who are the most "concerned" are really the biggest polluters... both in the news and on here... I know of at least 4 that have posted over and over with hand wringing "the end is near" religious man made global warming posts that....

Travel as a hobby... jets and boats and cars... any way they like.. they waste food and energy with big houses.  Old houses too... I couldn't come close to the waste they cause every year.

If the "swindle" show was wrong...

Well.. it had the best in each field talking... they pretty much called the high priests of "man made global warming" or "death by c02" they called em liars in so many words.

This was not some obscure show... it was seen by millions...  The liars should be out there debunking this show.

This environmentalism is the new communism with all the same old players...  the only difference is that this time it sells to more foolish women and gullible, guilt ridden, rich old men.

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« Reply #644 on: March 19, 2007, 08:21:42 AM »
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I have also noticed that the people who are the most "concerned" are really the biggest polluters... both in the news and on here... I know of at least 4 that have posted over and over with hand wringing "the end is near" religious man made global warming posts that....

Travel as a hobby... jets and boats and cars... any way they like.. they waste food and energy with big houses.  Old houses too... I couldn't come close to the waste they cause every year.


If you are referring to me in the above please post links where I have said the "end is near" or anything remotely like that.
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