Jane Fonda at it again

[lukster]

Originally posted by Sandman
To paraphrase LBJ...

"We shouldn't send American boys nine or ten thousand miles away from home to do what Middle Eastern boys ought to be doing for themselves."

You get the government you deserve.

And yet it was LBJ that escalated the war in Vietnam and did send "American boys" there for how many years?

It's been said that LBJ was very unhappy with Kennedy who was about to renege on supporting South Vietnam just before being assasinated.

Oh yeah, Jane Fonda is a mook.

[Toad]

LBJ sent Brown and Root too.... and I believe they were very thankful. I think Lady Bird was thankful too as she had a huge interest in B&R.

B&R was purchased by Halliburton, so Lady Bird became a player at Halliburton too.

[Halo]

Jane and the other Hollywood political experts should parachute in to northwest Pakistan and tell bin Laden what they bin ladling.  He would be captivated and call off the jihad immediately since he hadn't realized he had already won.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by lukster
And yet it was LBJ that escalated the war in Vietnam and did send "American boys" there...

The man should have heeded his own advice.

[Shuckins]

Two years after she's dead and gone, the groundskeepers at the cemetery where she is interred will be scratching their heads in puzzlement over the fact that NO form of plant life will grow on her grave.

And even during periods of drought, the ground above her casket will remain soggy.


A mystery for the X-Files.

[moot]

If what she publicizes so well is BS, then a clear and concise, truthfull refutal of her BS oughta publicize even better.

[oboe]

VooWho,

With a clear majority of the American public now opposed to Bush's addition of more troops, and with notable Republicans also opposed to the President's plan, why are you all set to blame the Democrats for "making us leave Iraq"?

Do you disagree with the notion that in democracy such as ours, it is the duty of elected representatives to carry out the will of the people?

[lasersailor184]

Seeing what I am seeing I am scared that the Terrorists see what I think I see. WEAKNESS, DISSENSION, OPPORTUNITY. I remember 9-11 and how all here were unified that something needed to be done. So, what did you expect? A few stealth bombers and a couple cruise missles would take care of it?

Anyone who has studied anything about american history can tell you how not unified we have ever been.

It's a falacy to think that we were ever one people.  Dissension and major disagreement can be traced from this day all the way back to the first ships landing on american shores.

[Maverick]

Part, if not most, of the problem with American society is that the average American is taught more about their freedoms than the responsibility it takes to maintain them. They like exercising their freedoms but they do not want to know what it takes to maintain them or to exercise them responsibly.

Using lbj as a guide to peace makes as much sense as a televangelist being touted as a guide to atheism.

If jane fonda was on fire in front of me I wouldn't so much as piss on her to put out the flames. I'd probably go look for a gas station with a jerry can.

[oboe]

Originally posted by Maverick
Part, if not most, of the problem with American society is that the average American is taught more about their freedoms than the responsibility it takes to maintain them. They like exercising their freedoms but they do not want to know what it takes to maintain them or to exercise them responsibly.  

Using lbj as a guide to peace makes as much sense as a televangelist being touted as a guide to atheism.

If jane fonda was on fire in front of me I wouldn't so much as piss on her to put out the flames. I'd probably go look for a gas station with a jerry can.

Part of what has gone wrong with America evident right here in your post, Maverick.   Do you not understand that what you expressed so admirably in the first paragraph of your post, about the responsibility we have for maintaining our freedom - don't you get it that dousing a flaming Jane Fonda with gasoline is exactly the opposite of what you say you are for to begin with?    I don't mean to pick on you exclusively - I think the attitude you express is all too common.    I believe many citizens do not fully comprehend the freedoms that the founding fathers reserved for us and what the responsibilities we have to maintain them entail.    

In this case, Storch and Yeager are right, I think.  We have to tolerate dissent.    

I wonder, though, if what Jane Fonda did was actually treasonous, why wasn't she charged and convicted?    Maybe that points to one other thing that is wrong in America--wealth and privilege can mean you are above the law?

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

What Jane Fonda is doing now, protesting inside the U.S., is dissent. What she did around 40 years ago, sitting on an NVA AAA gun, is treason.

Now, the fact that any number of the hundreds of thousands of men and women who served in Vietnam would pour gasoline on Jane Fonda if she were burning is not a sign of what is wrong, it is a sign of what is right. Even though she was not prosecuted for her acts of treason (reason being she took a popular stance against an unpopular war, and those who should have prosecuted her were guilty of cowardice for not doing it) that does not excuse or absolve her guilt, nor does it mean those she committed the acts against are duty bound to forgive her.

Were she not guilty of treasonous acts years ago, no one would feel so strongly about her getting what she has coming to her. She crossed the line when she POSED WITH THE ENEMY. No one is required to forgive her, and that she is so stupid as to do it again and reopen old wounds only means she didn't learn anything from the first time. It does not mean she gets a free pass under "dissent" this time, because few doubt that she'd go pose with Bin Laden given the chance.

[Hazzer]

Spoken like a sharia court,well done the land of the free.I think ,if you really think about it ,you have more in common with extremist muslims than you care to admit.Hey why not stone her.


Domald rumsfeld shook hands with saddam,when you going to poor gasoline on him,or do you prefer stoning,not the same?ok.Just chop off the offending hand.

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Donald Rumsfeld was sent by his country, and we were not at war with Saddam Hussien at the time. Jane Fonda went on her own, against the wishes of the country, and we were at war with the NVA.

If you are going to attempt to make comparisons, then find valid comparisons to make. Otherwise, you look like a fool.

[Hazzer]

Correct me if I'm wrong but was not saddam hanged for crimes committed when the usa and good old donald were friends with saddam in 1982?Why was he shaking hands with a murdering dictator who 25 years later they made sure was executed?American foriegn policy..jeez...of course this is the country who trained and supplied ho chi min in 1945.....and supported Bin ladens err freedom fighters in Afghanistan in 1979..the CIA ..gotta love em....your err friends just love biting the hand that feeds them...of course once good old Ho had helped kick the japs out of indo china you sold him down the river just like the poor old Afghans who once they had kicked theRussians out, you left them to the Taliban.

A fool?yep I voted for emperor Blair,but the truth is,the biggest fool is running your country and destabilizing the whole middle east.where will it end?I don't no,but their will be no victory parade of that I am certain.

[Maverick]

Oboe,

The difference between protest and aid and comfort to the enemy is the issue in what I was expressing about jane. I wouldn't care a whit if all she did was protest. As has already been pointed out, going to the enemy's country and willingly being a part of their propaganda went beyond protest.

Her actions are as reprehesable to me as the ******s who protest and defame fallen soldiers at their funeral.

Even protest has limitations.