Unhealthy Environment?

[TexInVa]

Wow.... I just don't know where to start. This is where I start rambling, then edit, then post. Here I go.....

I'm 38 yrs old. I have a moral code that differs from a 25 yr old, which differs from a 15 yr old. The three of us see very different things when looking at an object. Perspectives are skewed to our "generation".

I've watched my understanding of "honor" fall to the wayside. A gentleman's agreement has lead to being shot in the face. I've heard my idea of honorable fighting being refered to as "DA rules". I've been ridiculed for my concept of loyalty, which appears to be as antiquated as honor.

I've read 15-20 different peoples ideas about "what's wrong" with the game.

OK, here it is in a nutshell:

Nothing.

Nothing is wrong. The game is evolving and HTC is evolving with it. I don't like what I see in the MA's any more than the rest of you, but guess what? It's not going to change. We can huff and puff and threaten to leave until we're blue in the face, and all that this is going to do is get you a blue face. The game is being filled with a new generation of player, one that I see get mocked and burned on an almost regular bases by those that have been playing for sometime.

Don't want to be bothered by a noob? Not a problem! He and his horde will run you over. May not happen today, but it will happen. We don't stand a chance. Right now, as far as I can tell, the noobs outnumber the vets by about 3 to 1. That's not counting the hordes of us "intermediate players" who have only been playing for a year or three.

What do the intermediates see? Well, I for one see a "vet" telling pilots that they're bad because the vet says so. That they need to fly "this way", because the vet said so. That everything is going to hell in a hand basket, because the vet said so.

You know what? Vets should take a step back and look at that's happening around them. We are getting left behind. Why? Again, because we're being outnumbered by a different mindset, a different perspective. I just love the "I remember when...." stories.

I guess my whole point is: Adapt. Evolve. Grow along the lines of the game. If you don't, then you'll be left in the dust, whining about "the good old days", which you haven't even begun to realize that you'll never see again.

Or go away.

By the way, some of us "intermediates" have to make the same choices.

[SkyRock]

Originally posted by Stang
I would argue the contrary, that the sissified nature in the MA that predominates now is anything but aggressive.

I totally agree!  You can find opposing herds of perch birds flying within a 5k distance of each other but none attack.  They wait for one plane to venture into their lil space and the whole herd pounces.  Whoever misses the shot runs like he11 back to their base so they can climb back up and repeat!  It seems that many find the P-51 to be the best at performing this style of tactic.  It's all you see sometimes, ponies over the fight, with a couple of Dora's thrown in for variety!

[storch]

Originally posted by TexInVa
Wow.... I just don't know where to start. This is where I start rambling, then edit, then post. Here I go.....

I'm 38 yrs old. I have a moral code that differs from a 25 yr old, which differs from a 15 yr old. The three of us see very different things when looking at an object. Perspectives are skewed to our "generation".

I've watched my understanding of "honor" fall to the wayside. A gentleman's agreement has lead to being shot in the face. I've heard my idea of honorable fighting being refered to as "DA rules". I've been ridiculed for my concept of loyalty, which appears to be as antiquated as honor.

I've read 15-20 different peoples ideas about "what's wrong" with the game.

OK, here it is in a nutshell:

Nothing.

Nothing is wrong. The game is evolving and HTC is evolving with it. I don't like what I see in the MA's any more than the rest of you, but guess what? It's not going to change. We can huff and puff and threaten to leave until we're blue in the face, and all that this is going to do is get you a blue face. The game is being filled with a new generation of player, one that I see get mocked and burned on an almost regular bases by those that have been playing for sometime.

Don't want to be bothered by a noob? Not a problem! He and his horde will run you over. May not happen today, but it will happen. We don't stand a chance. Right now, as far as I can tell, the noobs outnumber the vets by about 3 to 1. That's not counting the hordes of us "intermediate players" who have only been playing for a year or three.

What do the intermediates see? Well, I for one see a "vet" telling pilots that they're bad because the vet says so. That they need to fly "this way", because the vet said so. That everything is going to hell in a hand basket, because the vet said so.

You know what? Vets should take a step back and look at that's happening around them. We are getting left behind. Why? Again, because we're being outnumbered by a different mindset, a different perspective. I just love the "I remember when...." stories.

I guess my whole point is: Adapt. Evolve. Grow along the lines of the game. If you don't, then you'll be left in the dust, whining about "the good old days", which you haven't even begun to realize that you'll never see again.

Or go away.

By the way, some of us "intermediates" have to make the same choices.

great post

[TexInVa]

Originally posted by storch
great post

Thank you.

I've been sitting here waiting for the flamethowers and gunfire to start while I work on my resume...

[Simaril]

Originally posted by SkyRock
I totally agree!  You can find opposing herds of perch birds flying within a 5k distance of each other but none attack.  They wait for one plane to venture into their lil space and the whole herd pounces.  Whoever misses the shot runs like he11 back to their base so they can climb back up and repeat!  It seems that many find the P-51 to be the best at performing this style of tactic.  It's all you see sometimes, ponies over the fight, with a couple of Dora's thrown in for variety!

Is this really different?

I've been seeing the same thing my whole 3+ years here; shoot, at one time i WAS one of them!

Seems to me that's just a function of experience and skill. There may be more of them right now, yeah, because there HAS been a lot of growth in the last few months.

Remember though -- that growth has apparently happened because of higher RETENTION rates, not from having more 2 week trials. So, whatever those guyr are seeing is apparently better than what their cousins were seeing a while ago.

And for the vets who are frustrated with the perching BnZer's I had this happen yesterday, when after I had finished an extended low 1v1, a pony with 5k alt advantage and E advantage made repeated timid swoops on me. He was very careful to extend 1-2K and rebuild after each time I evaded, and it was VERY annoying. After I died (a lag death -- I lag rolled on my front end, lethal bullets hit while I was lining him up in FRONT of me!), I realised that while HE was timid, the real problem was that I wasn't efficient in killing him. If my lag rolls were better, if I was more aggressive, he would have been long dead.

In short, IF I CAN't KILL A LAMER, IT MEANS I'M AS DEFICIENT AS HE.

[SkyRock]

Originally posted by Simaril
Is this really different?

I've been seeing the same thing my whole 3+ years here; shoot, at one time i WAS one of them!

Seems to me that's just a function of experience and skill. There may be more of them right now, yeah, because there HAS been a lot of growth in the last few months.

Remember though -- that growth has apparently happened because of higher RETENTION rates, not from having more 2 week trials. So, whatever those guyr are seeing is apparently better than what their cousins were seeing a while ago.

And for the vets who are frustrated with the perching BnZer's I had this happen yesterday, when after I had finished an extended low 1v1, a pony with 5k alt advantage and E advantage made repeated timid swoops on me. He was very careful to extend 1-2K and rebuild after each time I evaded, and it was VERY annoying. After I died (a lag death -- I lag rolled on my front end, lethal bullets hit while I was lining him up in FRONT of me!), I realised that while HE was timid, the real problem was that I wasn't efficient in killing him. If my lag rolls were better, if I was more aggressive, he would have been long dead.

In short, IF I CAN't KILL A LAMER, IT MEANS I'M AS DEFICIENT AS HE.

I find them to be annoying, but I was just making an observation.  Yes I believe it is the influx of new players that has seen the rise in numbers of BNZ cherry dweebs, but there are many vets who very much enjoy this style of game play!  I understand that the style is a stepping ladder for skills needed to be a good dogfighter, gunnery, E-mngment, a o a, but there are so many of them and they are so timid! lol!:aok

[Simaril]

Yeah, Know what you mean Sky.

I found that 1v1 after several flights in a zone where it was simply Insta-Death (tm) to get low. Position, swoop, turnfight for a rotation or two, get swooped on, evade, 2nd guy gets ya.

Wasnt much fun, so I went someplace else.

[hitech]

And a side note: had 954 players in the arenas at peek time last night.

HiTech

[Simaril]

Originally posted by hitech
And a side note: had 954 players in the arenas at peek time last night.

HiTech

What? There's "Voyeur's Arena"?  How come nobody told me?

[Bronk]

Originally posted by Simaril
What? There's "Voyeur's Arena"?  How come nobody told me?

You get that along with the B-29 for an extra $2.95 a month.

Didn't they tell you?



Bronk

[SkyRock]

Originally posted by hitech
And a side note: had 954 players in the arenas at peek time last night.

HiTech

I saw close to 900 on when I logged in.  Have you hit 1000 yet at any one particular time?

[hitech]

Not yet SkyRock.

[Mustaine]

Originally posted by hitech
Not yet SkyRock.

once you hit that number, is there a "saturation" point you are looking at when there has to be a major upgrade or something  to the servers, or arenas?

say 3500 logged in at one time?

[hitech]

Not really Mustaine, we can just add more servers. And in the overall view of things servers are cheep. Only design limitation we have is a max of around 1000 per arena.

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Originally posted by Mustaine
once you hit that number, is there a "saturation" point you are looking at when there has to be a major upgrade or something  to the servers, or arenas?

say 3500 logged in at one time?

Yes. Once he hits a consistent 3500 logged in at a time, he'll upgrade from his own RV-8 to his own P-51D.

I'd call that a major upgrade.