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Offline Kev367th

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« Reply #60 on: January 30, 2007, 11:54:39 AM »
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Yeah, why should the other paying customers have the same opportunities on a level playing field if a horde of vets doesn't want them to?

That's what amazes me most about you guys and your bull**** country loyalty nonsense. Is it really that important for you to have multiple, pronounced advantages in a cartoon airplane game? Would it really be the end of the world if you didn't?

ENY should be punitive. A horde of spit8s or a horde of spit 16s, what's the difference, really? Make ENY start at 5, and increase by whole numbers at a faster rate than it increments by tenths of a point at present.


Geez hub calm down.

If you read most of the posts we are actually now discussing the ENY values, which are currently messed up.
I personally have no problem with the ENY restrictions, its the totally haphazard ENY values I have a problem with.
Unless of course you think a Hurri IIc is worth an ENY of 10 (equal to a Tiffy incidently) in LW, and thats just one example.
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« Reply #61 on: January 30, 2007, 01:09:50 PM »
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That's what amazes me most about you guys and your bull**** country loyalty nonsense.


It's the same thing as the loyalty you give your favorite sports team.

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« Reply #62 on: January 30, 2007, 01:10:49 PM »
Just make a 4th country for the 2 week guys, can we call them feeder fish?

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« Reply #63 on: January 30, 2007, 01:28:38 PM »
I disagree on the sports fan analogy - I've got money on those games, so that's just like being a shareholder. :)

Using the "I've been a XXXX since I started" rationale (or the XXXXs are more organized, or all the XXXX are stupid kids, or whatever canned reply) as an excuse for creating, perpetuating, or increasing a pronounced advantage in numbers just doesn't cut it with me. It's a game, so why wouldn't you want it to be fair and balanced for everyone?

Starting to drift off topic, but the root cause here isn't ENY restrictions, or ENY values for the A/C. It's the players who insist on creating the disparity in numbers. The only way for ENY to work is prevent people from access to anything competitive in a particular arena. The only way to manage that is to make the ENY restriction higher, faster, and disable just about everything. I don't think HT really wants whining on that large a scale, but (since I don't have to answer his phone or deal with his email ;)  ), I'd like to see a more restrictive setup tried at least once.
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« Reply #64 on: January 30, 2007, 01:35:43 PM »
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It's a game, so why wouldn't you want it to be fair and balanced for everyone?


Because that would be boring - I love being outnumbered.  Which arena I fly in is mostly determined by the question: In which one are the Knights outnumbered? ;)
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« Reply #65 on: January 30, 2007, 01:36:54 PM »
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I disagree on the sports fan analogy - I've got money on those games, so that's just like being a shareholder. :)

Using the "I've been a XXXX since I started" rationale (or the XXXXs are more organized, or all the XXXX are stupid kids, or whatever canned reply) as an excuse for creating, perpetuating, or increasing a pronounced advantage in numbers just doesn't cut it with me. It's a game, so why wouldn't you want it to be fair and balanced for everyone?


I'm glad you've aquired those amazing mind reading abilities.

Unfortunatly, they're still wrong. Change the batteries lately?

Where and to whom I post my loyalties is none of your concern, nor should you allow yourself to think that you're superior enough to tell me if I should have them or not.

Like you said, this is a game. I have a loyalty that you can't seem to understand. I find that sad, but only when I think about it, and the only time I think about it is when you start frothing because of it.

You don't like it? Tough. Live with it. It's not going to change and you're just going to blow a vessel freaking about it.

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« Reply #66 on: January 30, 2007, 03:09:45 PM »
Real loyalty I can understand. Using some proclaimed sense of loyalty to a cartoon airplane icon in a video game, in order to enjoy a pronounced advantage in that game, I cannot. Perhaps I just hold myself to higher standards than you do.
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« Reply #67 on: January 30, 2007, 06:13:30 PM »
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Real loyalty I can understand. Using some proclaimed sense of loyalty to a cartoon airplane icon in a video game, in order to enjoy a pronounced advantage in that game, I cannot. Perhaps I just hold myself to higher standards than you do.


Really? because you make an assumption and believe in it? That's a higher standard?

Oh, and just to prove my point, you've assumed this was about me.

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« Reply #68 on: January 30, 2007, 07:04:21 PM »
My statements apply to everyone who insists that they should be able to fly whatever they want without any limitations, despite the tremendous numerical advantage they enjoy. While you may have been the first to get your skirt in a bunch, I am not referring to you singularly. I thought I made that clear in my earlier posts. Sorry if that confused you.
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« Reply #69 on: January 31, 2007, 12:17:43 AM »
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Real loyalty I can understand. Using some proclaimed sense of loyalty to a cartoon airplane icon in a video game, in order to enjoy a pronounced advantage in that game, I cannot. Perhaps I just hold myself to higher standards than you do.


I was always a AZ in AW and have always been a Bish in AH.  Believe me there have been YEARS where we DID NOT have numeric superiority or a "pronounced avantage" in your terms so there goes that argument.

Numbers come and go.  If you stay where you are it will eventually turn the other way.

Beyond that, I usually avoid the "pronounced superiority" and go fight where I'm outnumbered.

Somehow I'm missing where thats a lower standard just because I don't jump countries every day.

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« Reply #70 on: January 31, 2007, 06:03:37 AM »
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My statements apply to everyone who insists that they should be able to fly whatever they want without any limitations, despite the tremendous numerical advantage they enjoy. While you may have been the first to get your skirt in a bunch, I am not referring to you singularly. I thought I made that clear in my earlier posts. Sorry if that confused you.


M'kay, maybe we should slow this down and actually talk, then.

I don't like the way you enter a thread and bandy your opinion around like it's god's knowledge and everybody else is wrong.

I don't like being told by someone who really doesn't have a clue what my motives are.

I don't like listening to people being called wrong because someone else thinks so. The way you do it just smacks of how the religious right gets things done, through guilt and belittlement. That, more than anything you do, is what gets my "skirts in a bunch".

This is wikipedias take on loyalty. This is very simplified, from my point of view, but does convey the basics. Maybe you and I have a different definition of loyalty?

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Starting to drift off topic, but the root cause here isn't ENY restrictions, or ENY values for the A/C. It's the players who insist on creating the disparity in numbers. The only way for ENY to work is prevent people from access to anything competitive in a particular arena. The only way to manage that is to make the ENY restriction higher, faster, and disable just about everything. I don't think HT really wants whining on that large a scale, but (since I don't have to answer his phone or deal with his email  ), I'd like to see a more restrictive setup tried at least once.


I disagree. The numbers fluctuate on a regular bases. Most of the time I'm on, it's the rooks that are shorthanded. Sometimes it's the knights, but mostly rooks. I spend most of my time flying for rooks and defending against the bishops, who are defending from the knights, who are defending from the rooks, who are defending from the bishops.... Every now and again the wheel changes direction. I don't see it as a numbers disparity but as more of a "path of least resistance" style of play.

ENY usually won't affect me in my choice of spitfires. Actually, I've only seen ENY affect the country I'm currently fighting for twice. When that happens, I'll go to an earlier arena. But I'll agree on a stricter ENY. Maybe it'll slow the bishops on their quest for world domination. But along with a higher ENY, maybe more of the "core bases" can be un-capturable? Change the capture system to 80%/30%/30% and make 25% of the fields un-capturable. That will stop the hammering and force the horde to turn around every now and again.

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« Reply #71 on: January 31, 2007, 06:48:40 AM »
skinny,

you have to excuse hub he is currently being used by a top secret research facility as the test product for a new personal hygiene device intended to replace toilet paper, thus explaining his foul smelling attitude and his matted hairdo.

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« Reply #72 on: January 31, 2007, 02:14:48 PM »
I figure I rub people the wrong way at times. You would think that after almost 40 yrs, I would have learned tact. This is what gets me into about half of the arguments I find myself in.

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« Reply #73 on: January 31, 2007, 02:41:36 PM »
You're simply taking what I've said far too personally. My opinion is simply that- my opinion. I don't get that upset over the game, or anything said on the bbs. This isn't real life, no one gets hurt. I happen to think gameplay is more important than some make-believe patriotism to a make believe country. You disagree. So what?
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« Reply #74 on: January 31, 2007, 03:20:42 PM »
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You're simply taking what I've said far too personally. My opinion is simply that- my opinion. I don't get that upset over the game, or anything said on the bbs. This isn't real life, no one gets hurt. I happen to think gameplay is more important than some make-believe patriotism to a make believe country. You disagree. So what?


You know, that's not true. I responded to you getting upset about something that I disagree with. You came across as insulting. You pretty much said something was BS because you didn't understand it. I took what I saw as the most derogatory thing I've seen you post and tried to actually help you see it from a different perspective. And you continued being insulting and added superior to your repertoire. So I got mad at you. I don't take being insulted lightly. Throughout all of this, you were basing your "opinions" on assumptions that, as far as I can tell, are based on your lack of understanding of "loyalty". OK, so I tried to take this into yet another direction and tried to find out if maybe your definition of loyalty and mine are that different.

I get insulted again.

Damn skippy I'm taking this far too personally.

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