Spitfire

[Karnak]

Kweassa,

Yes, I know who they are talking about.  The problem lies in the fact that they do not know who they are talking about.

You can only be blasted for flying easymode when you are just flying your favorite fighter due to its history, not in game perfrmance, so many times before you start getting really crabby with people.

That was one of the big reasons I looked for another fighter to take up, and in AH1 the Mossie was a lot of fun.  In AH2 the Mossie is vastly harder, so I just let the game go.  The Ki-84 is good, but it just doesn't have my interest like the Spitfire or Mosquito.



Serenity,

I agree about the clipped wings.  I will always take a full span Spitfire over a clipped Spitfire.  The same would be true of razorback vs bubble canopy if that was an issue.  In AH2 my personal preference is the Spitfire Mk VIII.

[VooWho]

I don't fly spits much, but I do like the Seafire and Spit MK1, 5, 8, 9, and 14. I truly don't think theres any thing wrong about the 14, only that its really fast, but its just kinda like another spit. The Spit 16 is complety different. That thing has climb, dive, speed, turning and roll and every time I get one on my six, noob or vet I just give up. No matter what I do he is always behind me, then Boom pilot wound and then I'm dead. I think the Spit 16 is a little to easy to fly. Thats the only spit I'll never take up.

Once I was doing 500mph in a dive with a P51D and over shot a spit 16 flying straight probably doing about 275-325mph and I pulled up and climbed at 525mph and the 16 beat me at a climb and shot me down. I don't know how, but it did. I climbed like 6k and started stalling (HEHE I got this noob) then I look back and his 1.2, 1.1, 1.0, 900, 800, 700, then BOOM! Thats why I hate it so much. Its just a bug always following you around, and you can't get it away from you.

[Serenity]

Originally posted by Karnak
Serenity,

I agree about the clipped wings.  I will always take a full span Spitfire over a clipped Spitfire.  The same would be true of razorback vs bubble canopy if that was an issue.  In AH2 my personal preference is the Spitfire Mk VIII.

Wow, exactly the same here! For example, my favorite P-47 is the D-11 because of the razorback. I fly the Spitfire mk IX. I like the symmetry of the VIII and IX, but 9 is my luck number so...

And Voo, I hear ya. The 14's torque makes up for its ability in difficulty. After flying it and hearing Bob Tuck's description of it, I could never criticise anyone who does well in one. In fact I have NEVER seen anyone land two victories in an XIV. And hey, I have pulled out of a 500 mph+ dive in a 262 and been cought from dead six by a Spitfire mk XVI who had just taken off. I managed to talk a friend into scraping the spitfire off me, but that is just an impossible sprint on his part. Ive also seen one hover. He pulled up to follow my Bf-109, but he was a n00b and ran out of ammo without causing any damage. He cought up to me in the climb after running out, so he was right off my wing, not more than 10 feet away. he stalled first, me seconds later, but I passed him in the descent, and left him falling at no more than 100ft a minute and maintaining a nice level path, with no spin. He just hovered in the stall position, and it recovered on its own, while I had to really work my Messerschmitt out of that stall. This plane is not real. It does things no plane has any right to do. For those of you who want to fly a helicopter, fly the Spitfire XVI. I am PROUD to say I dont have a single flight in the Spitfire mk XVI in the MAs, EVER. Not ONE flight since I started here, and I refuse to ever fly one. I flew an La-7 once, so that part of my record is already tainted, but I intend to be 'clean' when it comes to this particular UFO.

[Serenity]

Oh, and I too like the Mossie. Before playing AH my favorite ever planes were (In order of favoritism, and not including bombers):

Bf-109
Mosquito T III
P-38J
P-40/ Kittyhawk mk III
P-63
Spitfire

I have always favored, and always will favor twin engined planes over single engine, both in real life and in games. I prefered the single, solid tail of the mosquito over the P-38, as well as the two seats side by side. In fact the only reason the Mosquito wasnt number one is those Iron Crosses on the Bf-109... theres just something about them...

[Bronk]

Originally posted by Serenity
Wow, exactly the same here! For example, my favorite P-47 is the D-11 because of the razorback. I fly the Spitfire mk IX. I like the symmetry of the VIII and IX, but 9 is my luck number so...

And Voo, I hear ya. The 14's torque makes up for its ability in difficulty. After flying it and hearing Bob Tuck's description of it, I could never criticise anyone who does well in one. In fact I have NEVER seen anyone land two victories in an XIV. And hey, I have pulled out of a 500 mph+ dive in a 262 and been cought from dead six by a Spitfire mk XVI who had just taken off. I managed to talk a friend into scraping the spitfire off me, but that is just an impossible sprint on his part. Ive also seen one hover. He pulled up to follow my Bf-109, but he was a n00b and ran out of ammo without causing any damage. He cought up to me in the climb after running out, so he was right off my wing, not more than 10 feet away. he stalled first, me seconds later, but I passed him in the descent, and left him falling at no more than 100ft a minute and maintaining a nice level path, with no spin. He just hovered in the stall position, and it recovered on its own, while I had to really work my Messerschmitt out of that stall. This plane is not real. It does things no plane has any right to do. For those of you who want to fly a helicopter, fly the Spitfire XVI. I am PROUD to say I dont have a single flight in the Spitfire mk XVI in the MAs, EVER. Not ONE flight since I started here, and I refuse to ever fly one. I flew an La-7 once, so that part of my record is already tainted, but I intend to be 'clean' when it comes to this particular UFO.

Joo R t3h FuNnAy



Bronk

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by Serenity
Speed + Maneuverability + lift +weapons loadout = dweeb. Mostly its the Spixteen thats dweeby, because it does things no plane has any right to do. I fly the Spitfire mk IX myself, because it has the turn rate, slightly worse than the mk V, it has the extraordinary lift, but despite that it still takes skill to fly. The Spixteen can be flown by a 4 year old, because no matter where you pull the stick, what maneuver you try, and what speed you fly at, it will always recover. That is not natural.

One day when you get old enough, you'll learn that it's not the plane.  And the Spitfire Mk IX is easier to fly than the Spitfire XVI.  

Please, show us the written documents that show the modeling of the Spitfire XVI is incorrect like you allude.  Or are you basing your experience from the few passenger hops you've had in a glider?


ack-ack

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by Karnak
Except some of us actually signed up to fly the Spitfire because we LIKE the Spitfire.

To some of us, it is just as much about the Spitfire and its story as the Bf109, Fw190 and P-38 are to the fans of those fighters.

The fact that it is just a great all round fighter in AH is beyond our control.

Well said...for a Dweebfire driver! hehe...just kiddin' but you did nail it in the head with your post.  

Maybe one day the kiddies like Serenity will realize that it really isn't important what other players fly as long as they are having fun whatever plane they are in.  This notion about La7's or Spitfires being dweeb planes is silly and usually started by those who's egos have been bruised.

And Serenity since you've labeled the Spitfire a dweeb's plane then you're part of that group since you admittedly fly a Spitfire.  Remember, next time you point at someone else, you have four fingers pointing back right at you.


ack-ack

[Movie]

yo titanic i just nailed u like twice with the MK V. Did like a hammer head

[Kev367th]

Originally posted by Airscrew

Also does anybody remember when the Spit IX was the dweeb ride before the Spit 16 came along?  And the Niki was referred in this fashion also

For a few tours prior to AH2 the Vc had replaced the IX as the main Spit ride.
Once the Vc was made an earlier Vb (remodel) and the XVI introduced it became the main Spit ride.

Still love to see the whines if a 25lbs boost XVI was introduced.
Please fix the XIV!!!!!!

Of course you realise our XVI isn't a XVI at all, check the FTH, it shows it is actualy a mid 1944 LF IXe. XVI had a FTH 1000ft higher.
This would mean it could have +25lbs boost as of May 1944.
XVI's only got cleared for +25lbs boost Dec 1944.

Few nights ago during which both us and the Rooks were ENY'd ended up in a 1 on 1 (rare) fight with me in a Vb v 109F.

3 Spits missing to complete the line-up now -
Vc with Merlin 55M (double for Seafire L III)
XII
F.21

[Krusty]

You take any pilot that's decent (not even "good") from any other plane and put him in a spitfire, and he becomes a god, killing left and right. You take any decent pilot from a spitfire and put it in any other plane and he will become the lowest of the greenhorn newbies.

The spitfires in this game require no skill to get kills. Literally, all you do is point your nose at the enemy and you can kill them. I once took up a spit16 when they were new. My field was under attack by a P38 jabo mission and there were B24s. Well 3 of us took off, climbed up into the already-high attacking enemy, and killed them all before they got to the field. Even the P38s that had alt and speed, jettisoned their ord, and fought with us had no prayer at all.

This plane climbs over 3500fpm without WEP as it passes 10k. Most planes can't do that WITH WEP on the deck.

This plane can and does accelerate like the flight model is bullflop. I have (many many many many times) been zooming past a runway at 300+ mph and at least 5k alt, seen a spit16 taking off, only to have it zoom straight up after pulling its gear off. I have (on several occasions) nosed up to rope said spitfire, and he just got closer and closer and closer, shooting me down before I even got the chance to stall out.

I've dove on a spit16 that was doing 300 on the deck in a 109K-4. My dive was a fast one, going 450+mph. The spitfire breaks at 800 yards so hard that I can see him top-down (even though my plane is level) and he loops around blowing all his speed. I look back and he falls back to 1.5k then 2k, then he comes back to 1.5k and then 1k. and then shoot my wing off with a single hispano ping at 800 yards. My speed was still over 400mph (far more than spitfire's top speed at this alt).

This has happened several times in similar setups, and others have reported it as well.

Either this plane is bullflop, or there's a lot of cheaters out there. I think it's the first. Please note I have enough stick time in them to know what I'm talking about from both sides of the issue.

[Angus]

Originally posted by MiloMorai
No Angus only the Mk Vs were ccc.

Are you sure that Broadhurst's IX's with + 25 weren't at least clipped (at will), or at least modded on the turbo (cropped?)
Maybe Guppy can fill us in on that one?

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WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEE

[Kev367th]

Originally posted by Krusty
You take any pilot that's decent (not even "good") from any other plane and put him in a spitfire, and he becomes a god, killing left and right. You take any decent pilot from a spitfire and put it in any other plane and he will become the lowest of the greenhorn newbies.

The spitfires in this game require no skill to get kills. Literally, all you do is point your nose at the enemy and you can kill them. I once took up a spit16 when they were new. My field was under attack by a P38 jabo mission and there were B24s. Well 3 of us took off, climbed up into the already-high attacking enemy, and killed them all before they got to the field. Even the P38s that had alt and speed, jettisoned their ord, and fought with us had no prayer at all.

This plane climbs over 3500fpm without WEP as it passes 10k. Most planes can't do that WITH WEP on the deck.

This plane can and does accelerate like the flight model is bullflop. I have (many many many many times) been zooming past a runway at 300+ mph and at least 5k alt, seen a spit16 taking off, only to have it zoom straight up after pulling its gear off. I have (on several occasions) nosed up to rope said spitfire, and he just got closer and closer and closer, shooting me down before I even got the chance to stall out.

I've dove on a spit16 that was doing 300 on the deck in a 109K-4. My dive was a fast one, going 450+mph. The spitfire breaks at 800 yards so hard that I can see him top-down (even though my plane is level) and he loops around blowing all his speed. I look back and he falls back to 1.5k then 2k, then he comes back to 1.5k and then 1k. and then shoot my wing off with a single hispano ping at 800 yards. My speed was still over 400mph (far more than spitfire's top speed at this alt).

This has happened several times in similar setups, and others have reported it as well.

Either this plane is bullflop, or there's a lot of cheaters out there. I think it's the first. Please note I have enough stick time in them to know what I'm talking about from both sides of the issue.

Thats its biggest asset its climb rate.
Rolls Royce sacrificed overall top speed for a phenominal climb rate and acceleration with the Merlin 66.

Later the Griffon series started the shift the other way, concentrating more on speed.

[Kev367th]

Originally posted by Angus
Are you sure that Broadhurst's IX's with + 25 weren't at least clipped (at will), or at least modded on the turbo (cropped?)
Maybe Guppy can fill us in on that one?

Thought it was only the late model Vc's and Seafire L III that were clipped and cropped.

[Serenity]

Originally posted by Ack-Ack
One day when you get old enough, you'll learn that it's not the plane.  And the Spitfire Mk IX is easier to fly than the Spitfire XVI.  

Please, show us the written documents that show the modeling of the Spitfire XVI is incorrect like you allude.  Or are you basing your experience from the few passenger hops you've had in a glider?


ack-ack

Im basing this on the fact that:

1) no plane can hover upside down, doing 50 mph TOPS and losing no altitude

2) No propeller plane can take off, climb 10,000 feet, all the while accelerating to 500mph in under 60 seconds

3) No propeller plane with the weight of a Spitfire and an engine of that era can begin an 80 degree climb at 120mph and reach 360mph IN the climb while still accelerating.

I have seen a Spitfire XVI do all of the above things.