A G10!!!!!!

[pangea]

I would like to see a 109/AS version added to the game.  Been waiting on this for a long time.  G-10 not so much.

[EagleDNY]

As I indicated up the thread, I did some 109G-14 testing to try to figure out exactly what we had.   I'm still at a loss. 
At 25% fuel and 6500lbs (I shot off all the ammo) - I was getting 312 and 347 WEP at Sea Level.  That was about right.  I WEP climbed for a while and at NO time could I match the climb rate on HTCs charts.   I topped out at 4590 ft/min at about 4K and went down steadily from there - the chart showing 4900 ft/min WEP climb at 5K must be with an attached rocket motor which I don't seem to have access to. 

I flew the G-14 around, and at low to medium alt, I think we are getting most of the rated performance, but the climb is still suspect. 

I think what this tells me more than anything else is that we need a defined testing regimen for aircraft and more testing.

[Karnak]

Where should the Bf109G-14's performance be according to German tests?

[Butcher]

Late war German fighters give me a total headache when trying to find actual numbers, I pretty much given up hope on getting them correct.

[LCADolby]

Not needed.

Would be nice, but it isn't needed.

Yes it is 

[Karnak]

Yes it is 

Make your sales pitch.  Tell me why the Bf109E-7 is needed like a Bf109G-6/AS.

For the record, I currently see the Bf109E-7 in the same category as the Spitfire Mk II, nice to have, but not needed at all.  I do think that if the Bf109E-7 is added then the Spitfire Mk II goes from being nice to have to required to have.

[Devil 505]

Make your sales pitch.  Tell me why the Bf109E-7 is needed like a Bf109G-6/AS.

For the record, I currently see the Bf109E-7 in the same category as the Spitfire Mk II, nice to have, but not needed at all.  I do think that if the Bf109E-7 is added then the Spitfire Mk II goes from being nice to have to required to have.

I dont see the Spit II as the counterpart to the E-7 as much as the Yak-1, Mig-3, and Lagg-3.

[Karnak]

I dont see the Spit II as the counterpart to the E-7 as much as the Yak-1, Mig-3, and Lagg-3.

None of which we have.

The reason the Bf109E-7 makes the Spitfire Mk II a requirement is that the Bf109E-7 would be used in BoB scenarios, tilting it more in favor of the Germans, as it did see service in the BoB.  The Spitfire Mk II would be needed to balance that.

[Devil 505]

None of which we have.

The reason the Bf109E-7 makes the Spitfire Mk II a requirement is that the Bf109E-7 would be used in BoB scenarios, tilting it more in favor of the Germans, as it did see service in the BoB.  The Spitfire Mk II would be needed to balance that.

the E-7 wouln't be used for BoB, because it never participated in the BoB.

[EagleDNY]

Where should the Bf109G-14's performance be according to German tests?

That is one of the big problems - the performance numbers depend upon which DB605 you have installed (AM / AS / ASM / D) - I suspect we have an AM, but how are we to know?  Without knowing that, all I can tell you is that I am unable to match the speed and climb charts that HTC has posted for the G-14 online, despite having less weight and a clean airframe.   Kurfurst has engine charts for all the DB605s, but I will need to translate them from german before I can use them.

[Karnak]

the E-7 wouln't be used for BoB, because it never participated in the BoB.

It has been stated on this forum many times that it did enter the BoB in, IIRC, October of 1940 and I've seen requests for it specifically to get a drop tank enabled Bf109 to use in the BoB.

[Butcher]

It has been stated on this forum many times that it did enter the BoB in, IIRC, October of 1940 and I've seen requests for it specifically to get a drop tank enabled Bf109 to use in the BoB.

E-7 and Spitfire II, Hurricane IIa were introduced the very end of BoB, what is needed is the 190E-4/B.


What I would like to see is a 1941 BoB, Spitfire V's, 109F's - kind of a what if scenario if Germany waited for drop tanks on fighters to actually have range to hit the primary fields.

[Karnak]

E-7 and Spitfire II, Hurricane IIa were introduced the very end of BoB, what is needed is the 190E-4/B.


What I would like to see is a 1941 BoB, Spitfire V's, 109F's - kind of a what if scenario if Germany waited for drop tanks on fighters to actually have range to hit the primary fields.

At the same time the poor bombers would be facing cannon armed Hurricanes and Spitfires.

[Devil 505]

It has been stated on this forum many times that it did enter the BoB in, IIRC, October of 1940 and I've seen requests for it specifically to get a drop tank enabled Bf109 to use in the BoB.

Fair enough. My point reguarding the E-7 was that is still saw action throughout '41 in every theater the Luftwaffe participated, especially the eastern front. The spit2 was quickly suplanted by the spit5. I think that places the 109E-7 very much ahead of the Spitfire mk2 as far as "needing" in AH.   

[Karnak]

Fair enough. My point reguarding the E-7 was that is still saw action throughout '41 in every theater the Luftwaffe participated, especially the eastern front. The spit2 was quickly suplanted by the spit5. I think that places the 109E-7 very much ahead of the Spitfire mk2 as far as "needing" in AH.   

I'll grant you that in the absence of both, but if we also don't have the MiG-3, LaGG-3 and Yak-1 that eliminates the need for the Bf109E-7 as the only remaining place to use it within the existing AH planeset is in the late BoB.

The other point stands that the moment the Bf109E-7 is added the Spitfire Mk II goes from "Would be kinda nice" to "Required".

Also, the Bf109E-7 doesn't approach the Bf109G-6/AS or Bf109G-14/AS because of the importance of the American Bomber offensive from the standpoint of the player base and the existing planeset.