Vista Ultimate

[lazs2]

ok... you guys are out of my depth here but what I need to know is...

How long do I have to wait before they realize they screwed up and start making it work with everything I need to run or... till you bright guys figure out how I can?

I was pretty surprised when I went to XP at how well and easy everything worked... course... I ran 98 for a few years into XP.

In a few years will most of the bad things be worked out?

lazs

[Mustaine]

Skuzzy, with the DRM stuff and the inherent problems working with audio / video what do you think about using a MAC for these things?


do you think the industry and casual user will start migrating to MAC's for doing this even more now?

and the big question, would you personally ever get a MAC to do video / audio editing?

[Skuzzy]

Lazs, a lot of this stuff with Vista is design decisions at MS, not bugs at all.  The performance loss is related to the design goals MS implemented.  Again, not a bug.

Almost all the design goals center around DRM/HDCP, but effect everything to some degree.

XP wil lbe supported for another seven years.  By then, something else will hopefully be available to replace the OS with.  I cannot consider the current incarnation of Vista to be a replacement.

Mustaine, I think most of the professionals will simply stay with XP until they get Linux versions of the software.  I cannot see them going back to Apple.  Some may, some may not.  Right now a number of studios are using Linux, so for them this is a non-issue.

I will not be buying an Apple.  I cannot stand the interface.  I am barely tolerant of Windows.  Apple is even more constraining than Windows is as it pertains to actually being able to do what you want.
Linux would be my other personal choice for an OS.

[Catalyst]

for Laz...

agree this is a game forum, but still, its the damn O'Club were maybe 1 or 2 people still actually fly...

as for your CH products, sorry man, I don't game much anymore, and I don't have CH products so sorry about that...

this is the way I see it...

if you got a dual-core, lots of RAM and wish to try something different(and don't mind a few bugs) try Vista, thats what I did cause of my work...really had no choice

but if you're not a computer lit. person, I recommend you avoid Vista for at least 1 or 2 years from now, there is no need for you to change...

VISTA is not for business, not yet anyways. I expect alot of negative feedback from that side of the OS distribution, too much IT dep. upgrades$$$ to do on that side, hence the roar we are gonna hear...

[Hajo]

Something to Consider.

Each time MS has come out with a new version of Windows it came out with much hoopla and fanfare.  People were standing in line the night before the new Version of Windows was going on the shelf for sale so they could be among the first to purchase it.

Vista however came out with a whimper.......Zero fanfare and no lines eager to purchase Vista the night before.  Hmmmmmm if MS decided the fanfare was unwarranted......kinda tells me they don't have much faith in the popularity of their new OS.  Maybe....just maybe they know they've botched this one.

XP Pro for me for at least the next 7 years.

Unless......a better OS comes from out of nowhere.

[RATTFINK]

fluff'n M$... they always let the masses test their products cuz their sooooo  anxious to make alot of money $$$$$$!!  


Skuzzy knows his sh !t


Vista sux and will continue to sukk, till M$ makes a better program.


I plan on getting a new computer very soon and will not be getting the Vista upgrade.

With the new computer I'll be getting, is a NVidia graphics card a good thing to have w/ the XP?


<<>> Skuzzy & Yknurd

[lukster]

I installed Vista Business on my second drive a couple of days ago. Still doesn't support my aging Audigy but I like it nonetheless. I'll be replacing my sound card and then I'll likely replace XP. I give it a year, two at the most, and only the diehards will still be running XP.

[tedrbr]

Originally posted by lukster
I installed Vista Business on my second drive a couple of days ago. Still doesn't support my aging Audigy but I like it nonetheless. I'll be replacing my sound card and then I'll likely replace XP. I give it a year, two at the most, and only the diehards will still be running XP.

Vista will lead to the fall of the western world.  In two years we'll all be using Red Flag Linux.  The end is nigh!

[Kurt]

Originally posted by Roscoroo
so hows AH work ???

Its running fine for me, but I have noticed that my Creative Audigy ZS is a little 'Tinney' sounding on vox... Only vox, not game sounds.

No issues to report.  Frames are about the same as I saw on XP Pro

[Kurt]

Originally posted by lazs2
ok.. if you know so much how does it do with CH controllers.. this is an AH forum ya know?

I mean... I don't really care if it makes opening spread sheets look cooler.  I don't care if it runs 12 spread sheets at once better than xp does.

I also don't recall taking such a performance hit with xp when it came out... didn't xp run some things faster than 98?

lazs

My CH Control Manager under XP crashes every time the system is locked..

I have the same problem with Control Manger under Vista.

Beyond that, its working fine, my CH controls are functional and behaving as they did under XP Pro.

My only problem has been with my sound card, as mentioned above.

[dmf]

What about home basic? It looks to me like a modified win xp

[Skuzzy]

Home Basic lacks a lot of the tools XP has, but is essentially a stripped down XP with all the DRM and .NET drivers attached.

And Kurt, if the game is running the same for you on Vista as it did on XP, then you had a very poor installation of XP.  It is technically impossible for any game to run the same under Vista as compared to XP due to the extra layers of software added to all the drivers in Vista to handle DRM.

On every clean installation comparison of XP to Vista, games run anywhere from 10% to 30% slower on Vista.  I find that to be a reasonable performance degradation given all the added software layers everything has to go through in Vista.

The sound is going to be worse as MS has pulled support for DirectSound.  All games using DirectSound have been routed through the Windows sound API, which is slower and sounds worse.  You may even lose 3D sound positioning on some cards.

[Catalyst]

Warning!!!!

before you try an upgrade, there's this little program called "Microsoft Windows Vista Upgrade Advisor"

run it, it will show a scale for upgrade, make a decision starting from there....

if ya get a score of 1.5 on all sections justforgetaboutit:aok

question...

How is Red Hat doing these days, is the GUI any better?

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Skuzzy
Lazs, a lot of this stuff with Vista is design decisions at MS, not bugs at all.  The performance loss is related to the design goals MS implemented.  Again, not a bug.

Almost all the design goals center around DRM/HDCP, but effect everything to some degree.
 

Now I've never been the most uber religeous person in the world but..

" no one should be able to buy or sell save he that had the mark, the name of the beast, or the number of its name." -Revelation 13:17"



Does seem to kinda fit in the direction this is headed doesnt it?



FYI my sarcasm is directed at microsoft. NOT Skuzzy

[Nilsen]

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