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« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2007, 03:53:44 AM »
here in florida we can shoot you just for being a chicago bears fan.  I like that.  it works.  even in the worst neighborhoods people mind their own business because they know, oh yes they know.

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« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2007, 04:25:32 AM »
I've used a firearm three different times to prevent crimes. Twice when someone tried to get in my house and once when someone tried to break in my truck. Never fired a shot. Just the sound of that Remington 870 Express Magnum racking a 12 gage round into the chamber was enough to make them change their minds.

I also have a conceled carry permit. I normally carry a Kimber .45 in a waist holster with a spare mag. Of course Virginia also has an open carry law and I do that from time to time as well. Never caused me any problems although I have gotten a few funny looks walking through the local Wal-Mart with a .45 hanging off my hip.

I will say this to the anti gun crowd though.....you want my guns, YOU come and get them from me. Don't send the police or the military. Have the balls to stand behind your convictions like I do and we'll see who has the guns at the end of the day.
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« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2007, 05:14:04 AM »
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« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2007, 05:16:23 AM »
I tend to clean my Mossberg 12 Guage Pump shotgun while my Daughters were waiting for their dates on Prom Night.  

Combine that with a Vodka bottle full of water and the donutwoods arriving to pick up my girls tend to rethink their evenings.

Daughters were home before set time, untouched and not crying.  Love hearing the words "Yes Sir" stuttered several times.

Hey, it works for me.

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« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2007, 05:21:59 AM »
Mac, doesn't that eliminate the irreverential but well-adjusted types?
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« Reply #20 on: February 01, 2007, 08:25:13 AM »
Good idea, but not likely to happen.

With my AZ permit I have full reciprocity in AK, AR, TX, KY, OH, and MI. In 17 other states I have limited reciprocity.
The ones I can't carry in, including the one I presently live in which is a pain in the bellybutton to get a CCW, are not likely to go along with a nationwide CCW. They're too liberal.

It's sad that it's harder for law abiding people to legally carry than criminals.

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« Reply #21 on: February 01, 2007, 08:28:15 AM »
Saw on the news this morning the Texas legislature is working to pass a bill that will greatly reduce the chance of prosecution for using lethal force to defend yourself at home or work.

I'd prefer there be no chance... but I'll take it. Good stuff.

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« Reply #22 on: February 01, 2007, 08:43:50 AM »
nashwan hates that statistic.   The numbers are by poll and indeed.. they are from 1.5 to 2.5 million crimes a year are prevented with firearms..

Most people who carry don't really do so legally... they are, as you might understand.. a bit hesitant about reporting that they pointed a gun at some thug and chased him away.

I think it is a fair thing to imagine what would have been the result if those people had not had a gun.   If even 1% of the crimes stopped using guns would have otherwise ended in a killing...  the amount of gangbangers and criminals shooting each other is easily offset by the amount of citizens lives saved by guns.

This bill was put forth by a republican.. it will be voted down by democrats..

This is why you NEVER vote for a democrat... they think only they should be protected by concealed carry (their bodyguards).. to hell wit the peasan.... er, "people".

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« Reply #23 on: February 01, 2007, 10:49:16 AM »
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Good idea, but not likely to happen.

With my AZ permit I have full reciprocity in AK, AR, TX, KY, OH, and MI. In 17 other states I have limited reciprocity.
The ones I can't carry in, including the one I presently live in which is a pain in the bellybutton to get a CCW, are not likely to go along with a nationwide CCW. They're too liberal.

It's sad that it's harder for law abiding people to legally carry than criminals.


Thats the point of this.  This bill would force ALL states to recognize and honor your CCW permit.  Even states that dont allow concealed carry for their own citizens.  The states dont have a choice if this passes.  

I'll grant I dont see much of a chance of it passing.  But if it did, the repercussions would be phenomenal.  Forcing all states to recognize your permit would mean there would have to be a standardisation of CCW laws.  "Limited reciprocity" would be a nightmare legal tangle far worse than a state that doesnt allow CC at all allowing you to carry while in their state.  Think about it.

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« Reply #24 on: February 01, 2007, 10:56:25 AM »
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This bill was put forth by a republican.. it will be voted down by democrats..

This is why you NEVER vote for a democrat... they think only they should be protected by concealed carry (their bodyguards).. to hell wit the peasan.... er, "people".

lazs


Lazs, it so happens that one of our most active pro-gun 2nd amendment supporters here is a Democrat.  There are more out there.  They just have to be elected.  Writing off all Democrats just assures that the anti-gun, take-away-your-rights crowd WILL get elected.  For example, we have a bill coming up for debate that will remove Hawaii's ban on "high capacity" magazines for pistols, and allow you to use any magazine approved by the manufacturer for use in their gun.  Sponsored by a Democrat.  We had a bill up for vote last year that would ease restrictions on getting concealed carry permits issued here.  Sponsored by a Democrat.  We have our share of weenies here too, more than our share.  But we are doing our best to get them voted out and reps that want to listen to us voted in.

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« Reply #25 on: February 01, 2007, 11:12:37 AM »
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Thats the point of this. This bill would force ALL states to recognize and honor your CCW permit. Even states that dont allow concealed carry for their own citizens. The states dont have a choice if this passes.


It's really not as all encompassing as you think it is.  There are still states that won't give their citizens CCW permits.  So it doesn't matter if other states honor your permit if you can't get one in the first place.
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« Reply #26 on: February 01, 2007, 11:16:24 AM »
Up until about 3 weeks to a month ago there was a rash of "home invasions" on the South side of Tucson. There weren't any viable suspects but the MO was 4 to 5 suspects kicked in the front door, weapons (guns and knives) out and put everyone on the ground in a single room with the usual threats of death for non compliance. They then ransacked the house stealing money, demanding drugs and stealing cars.

This kept up for several attacks in spite of increased Police patrols. This is a large area and borders the City and County.

Then they hit one house where one person was not in the main part of the house, he was near the bedroom. When the door went down and the screaming started he went inside the bedroom and locked / blocked the door as well as getting a shotgun. The suspects saw the door and started to take it down. When the door came off the resident firde and killed the first guy through who was already firing at him. The second suspect also tried to come in and was "seriously wounded". At that point he left the door and the remaining suspects left. The wounded one was dropped at a local hospital and did survive. The rest were arrested during the nexrt week. From what I recall they were a mix of illegal aliens and US citizens. The home invasions seemed to come to a screaching halt for some reason.

The County attorney was interviewed by one of the more "liberal" TV news crews and came out saying there was nothing illegal about the shooting. Homeowners were and are allowed to defend themselves from home invasion, assault, homicide and robbery, particularly inside their homes.
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« Reply #27 on: February 01, 2007, 11:19:43 AM »
That's great news! In Texas we have a CCL but for the most part if you have a gun in the car and get pulled over most cops will run you lic and if nothing comes back then they will say good day. I dont have a CCL because for the most part i have never ever had a need fr one. I do carry my pistol in my range bag 50% of the time because i like to go to the range on my way home. I do take it out if i am going to be downtown at night because i would understand if a cop pulled me over and i had my STI ready to go with 500 rounds in my bag. Good people with common sense should have the right to defend themselves..

I am teaching a class at UT this spring for students to learn proper gun safety and range rules. We have a nice 25 yard indoor range on campus that the students can shoot .22 rifle and pistols. Last spring we had over 500 students that learned to shoot. Next generation of gun owns and they know have the skill needed to protect themselves and their families.

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« Reply #28 on: February 01, 2007, 11:22:45 AM »
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They don't all result in a shooting.


The problem with Kleck's figures is what they do say.

According to Kleck, there were 2,500,000 crimes prevented by people with guns a year.

However, according to Kleck's figures, in 24% of those incidents the person defending themselves fired their gun, which means about 600,000 fired.

Further, according to Kleck, 8% of the 2,500,000 incidents resulted in the defender shooting at, and hitting, the criminal. That's 200,000 criminals shot.

However, the FBI records justifiable homicides, and says about 250 occur each year by private citizens. That means that only 1 in 800 of the criminals shot according to Kleck died, and that's a ridiculous figure.

There are other inconsistencies with Kleck's figures. For example, he reported 2,500,000 defensive gun uses in the year up to his survey. But at the same time he asked people about the previous 5 years as well. According to the responses, the yearly rate for the previous 5 years was half that, about 1,250,000 a year.

It's unlikely the figures actually doubled in a year. It's far more likely that respondents reported more recent incidents to increase the drama.

All Kleck did was telephone people at random, and ask them questions. If any of them lied, and claimed to have defended themselves with a gun when they hadn't, it increased the reported rate. If just 1 in 100 lied, it accounts for almost all Kleck's reported incidents. Hasn't this board recently seen an example of that? (I can't recall the details of the thread, but I think someone claimed to have killed an attacker, and been wounded themselves).

There are people who will lie about such things everywhere. Telephone a few thousand people at random and you will probably find 2,500,000 Americans were Navy Seals active in Gulf War I or II.

(note I'm not suggesting you are lying about your incident, just that asking people at random will uncover a certain proportion who will lie.)

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« Reply #29 on: February 01, 2007, 11:43:54 AM »
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It's really not as all encompassing as you think it is.  There are still states that won't give their citizens CCW permits.  So it doesn't matter if other states honor your permit if you can't get one in the first place.


One problem is some states don't honor out of state sworn officers CCW.