Author Topic: National Right to Carry (Read 1621 times)

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #45 on:** February 01, 2007, 09:33:20 PM »

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Originally posted by Benny Moore
We have one, and have for over three hundred years. The problem is that the liberal scum pretend that we do not.

While that's all good and clear, it makes no difference until the supreme court chooses to hear a second ammendment case.

One of the problems with the supreme court is they can pick and choose the cases they wish to judge. And for the past many years, they have outright REFUSED to even take a second ammendment case. This is because of the ramifications of such.

The supreme court is just as much part of the government as the legislative and presidential branches. A threat to the government by guns is equally a threat to them.

And because they know that there's only one way the ruling on a second amendment case can go, they will forever refuse to even let it get through.

So we're stuck with over throwing the government illegally.

lukster · « **Reply #46 on:** February 01, 2007, 09:55:20 PM »

Maybe a constitutional amendment is in order. Something like granting to all citizens the right to bear arms. Whaddaya think?

bsdaddict · « **Reply #47 on:** February 01, 2007, 09:56:20 PM »

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Originally posted by lasersailor184
So we're stuck with over throwing the government illegally.

I won't rule out the possibility, as Tom said, "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it’s natural manure."

However, I think our current gov't is doing a pretty good job of bankrupting itself. That house of cards can't stand forever...

bsdaddict · « **Reply #48 on:** February 01, 2007, 10:02:16 PM »

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Originally posted by lukster
Maybe a constitutional amendment is in order. Something like granting to all citizens the right to bear arms. Whaddaya think?

funny. I'd like to see one that says "The constitution is not a "living document". It means what it says."

Maverick · « **Reply #49 on:** February 01, 2007, 10:17:06 PM »

So in other words those pesky ammendments that are commonly referred to as the bill of rights are in your way. Is that what you are saying?

lukster · « **Reply #50 on:** February 01, 2007, 10:57:11 PM »

I stated it incorrectly. The second amendment does not grant the right to bear arms. It states that the right to bear arms shall not be infringed. The purpose of the second amendment then is to acknowledge the right of citizens to bear arms and prohibt the government from infringing upon that right. How far we have fallen.

Hap · « **Reply #51 on:** February 02, 2007, 02:08:18 AM »

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Originally posted by lasersailor184
So we're stuck with over throwing the government illegally.

You advocate sedition, Lasersailor?

Regards,

hap

wrag · « **Reply #52 on:** February 02, 2007, 05:15:18 AM »

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Originally posted by Hap
Gunston, are you and Patches the same person?

Where'd that other stuff come from?

I've never met anyone who is member of a Militia. Maybe some of you are.

That's one reason I was asking. The other was to discover if Militias generally or specifically try to form themselves along Constitutional lines.

Gunston, do you consider yourself "tyrannized" by America's government?

Regards,

hap

If you are an American Citizen between the age of 14 and 60............. ( I think it's 14 to 60 but ???)

you are IN the militia!

Army regs state this. It has been so for YEARS! It was set up this way YEARS ago!

Further if YOU honorabley served in the military you are now a OFFICER in the militia until the porper military shows up and releaves YOU.

Looks it up!!! The information is out there! The NET makes it easy to find!

Toad · « **Reply #53 on:** February 02, 2007, 07:46:01 AM »

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Originally posted by Shamus
Guess I cant carry, I'm too old for the milita.

shamus

If that's what you think, you misunderstand the 2nd.

The right to bear arms shall not be infringed; age isn't a factor.

By US Code the militia is age specific. You might be too old for the militia.

That in no way infringes your right to bear arms.

Again, the two clauses in the 2nd are complimentary, not dependent.

VOR · « **Reply #54 on:** February 02, 2007, 08:03:14 AM »

Provided you're not legally prohibited from ownership (felony or domestic violence for example), it's an individual choice. Do it or don't do it and live a happy, healthy productive life. What's the big deal?

Shuffler · « **Reply #55 on:** February 02, 2007, 09:37:43 AM »

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Originally posted by VOR
Provided you're not legally prohibited from ownership (felony or domestic violence for example), it's an individual choice. Do it or don't do it and live a happy, healthy productive life. What's the big deal?

I agree, however, it is typical politics for a small group to want to press their idea of what is right on to the masses.

If I want to carry... no problem, if you don't want to carry... no problem. Eventually the criminals who will carry regardless of the constitution and what you think..... will find you. Then you can argue your point with them.

lazs2 · « **Reply #56 on:** February 02, 2007, 10:07:09 AM »

Thanks toad.. very good explanation... much better than the way I said it...

We are saying the same thing tho... the second is an individual right and, like all the other amendments it is there to guarentee rights for individuals not for government.

laser is correct about the supreme court.. they have avoided the second like the plague and... for the reasons he stated... there is only one conclusion that they could come to and that it is an individual right and that almost all of our current firearms laws are unconstitutional.

No serious constitutional scholar does not believe that the second, like all the others, simply acknowledges an intrinsic and individual right of the people against the tyranny of government.

Tyranny is, as Washington said (if you read closely) not only by governments but by thugs or bands of thugs who would try to take your rights away by force.

A burglar is a tyrant for instance as is a carjacker or a gang of muggers or just thugs bent on violent assault.

The sad part is that the SC does not need to be afraid of a ruling... making all forms of firearms legal for all people would not deter the government from passing laws with strict penalties for criminal misuse.

Look at our hand wringing brit friend nashwan and others... In their countries I could get a firearm in no time... a day... a week at most. The law does not stop me... it is the penalty that stops me.

In America... any criminal can get any gun in a few hours.... Yet... less and less criminals are using guns in crimes. Why is that? The penalties are increasing for tyranizing fellow citizens with firearms.

The answer is, and always has been... every person armed and able to protect himself and others and... everyone polite with firearms because of the penalties for not being polite with em. Criminals afraid to use guns for crime and citizens having guns to stop crime... Win/win.... just as the founders envisioned in their infinite wisdom.

lazs

Toad · « **Reply #57 on:** February 02, 2007, 10:08:15 AM »

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Originally posted by Shuffler
If I want to carry... no problem, if you don't want to carry... no problem.

Herein is the problem with our whole society.

There is a faction that doesn't care what the other guy does. They believe the freedom to swing one's arms is only regulated by how close you come to someone else's nose.

Then there's the faction that is intensely interested in what the other guy does and seeks to regulate every aspect of what the other guy does.

We all need to decide which side we're on.

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #58 on:** February 02, 2007, 10:37:20 AM »

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Originally posted by Hap
You advocate sedition, Lasersailor?

Regards,

hap

I have been for months. It's not like I try to hide it.

Terror · « **Reply #59 on:** February 02, 2007, 11:11:44 AM »

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Originally posted by lasersailor184
It's really not as all encompassing as you think it is. There are still states that won't give their citizens CCW permits. So it doesn't matter if other states honor your permit if you can't get one in the first place.

Get one from Florida.

Go here: Florida Division of Licensing Forms page

Order:

1 - Concealed Weapon or Firearm Application
2 - Fingerprint Card - Firearm licenses (qty: 2 -- backup in case first one get smudged...)
3 - How to be licensed to Carry a Concealed Firearm pamphlet
4 - Questions and answers pertaining to the use of deadly force

Get yourself trained according to the "how to be licensed pamphlet"
Send your money, application, training certificate, and $$$ and 45-60 days later you get your CCW from Florida. And bingo you will be able to carry in any state, if this legislation passes.

Terror