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Offline rpm

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« Reply #15 on: February 02, 2007, 10:56:33 PM »
Looks like Peterbilt was the real loser in that deal. How much did they save by forcing a strike over a "small" increase?

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« Reply #16 on: February 02, 2007, 11:19:47 PM »
When you figure that the what PACCAR would have had to pay over the next few decades if they'd given in on the health care issue, it may have hit a very high price. You have to understand that UAW members are now getting 95% or more of their pay if they DON'T work. They're also getting "buy out" packages to encourage them to retire that approach 95%.

No doubt Peterbilt took a major beating. But the Madison plant was closed for 8 months, the UAW employees earned around $100 a week strike pay, as opposed to around $850 a week if they'd worked 40 hours.
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« Reply #17 on: February 03, 2007, 12:46:58 AM »
I really dont buy the argument that every workplace needs a union.

And others have pointed out, management and unions can point fault with each other.

But in the case of this issue...the employees do not want to contribute to their own health plan?  I just find that to be absurd, if not arrogant.

Yet on the other hand...the parent company of American Airlines posted a nice profit after mechanics, pilots and flight attendants agreed to huge concessions so that the company would survive.  What does the company want to do?  Reward their management with big bonuses.  Huh?  What did they give up to make the company successful?

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« Reply #18 on: February 03, 2007, 12:51:59 AM »
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I really dont buy the argument that every workplace needs a union.  


Of course not, if they treat you good there is no reason go union. Which is why companies without unions offer a good wage and benefits. It keeps them happy and keeps them from going union. A big reason for that is the unions, without them there would be no reason to offer good wages and benefits if there was no fear of going union. The unions actually help keep non union wages up.

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« Reply #19 on: February 03, 2007, 01:06:32 AM »
I though HD weas an employee owned company...

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« Reply #20 on: February 03, 2007, 01:10:23 AM »
i though the japanese bought it about 15 years ago....

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« Reply #21 on: February 03, 2007, 01:12:38 AM »
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i though the japanese bought it about 15 years ago....


Nah, that was Rockefeller Center
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« Reply #22 on: February 03, 2007, 01:17:40 AM »
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That depends...  look at the US auto industry.  Unions are a factor in their crash and burn.  It isn't as simple as reducing Unions to a truism.  Every union is different.


One need to look no further than GMAC to see what screwed GM up.
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« Reply #23 on: February 03, 2007, 07:48:54 PM »
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But then you have poor management that makes everything worse. The tier one supplier I worked for was so poorly managed that they wasted enough to double the wages of every employee on the floor with ease. Management is now filled with idiots with MBA's that have no idea about reality in business. With engineers who have no idea how things actually work. And with short sided accountants who can only see the per part cost of production as they can generate it with book figures that have no basis in reality at all.


Well said , I see this every day at work now compared to even 10 years ago .

Case in point > They buy "cheaper" steel and then we break more drill bits , so they then buy "cheaper" drill bits to offset this . Plus with there new idea of cost reduction of not buy good coolant in our machines and not changing it like it should , everything is harder to get production on time with out more breakage etc .

Then the kicker , ahh Yes we will buy from China , just assemble here , of corse it's cheaper now as they have "@ucked it up so much now , no one can do it as fast as we used to .

One year they decided to quit buying good oil that had seal expander in it to help with leaks . They all pated themselves on their backs , cause they saved that extra money for a that quater . Then 10 years later you should see our coolant as the loving oil leaks into it . I ask if that really was a "cost" saver in the long run and if we could have someone come to our Co meetings and decuss it , I just wanted "someone that gives a **** to come" . Nope no one came . My boss at that time said he guessed "no one really gives a ****" and went on with the meeting :(

You get a bit pissed when they always say it's the "workers" not working hard enough :furious
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« Reply #24 on: February 03, 2007, 08:00:58 PM »
Sadly, if my time consulting has taught me one thing, it's that assclowns have a greater percentage chance of survival in the boardroom than they do on the shop floor.
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« Reply #25 on: February 03, 2007, 08:10:05 PM »
Whats funny is that by FAR the great % of union employess are government workers---they are the LEAST needful of such a thing
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« Reply #26 on: February 03, 2007, 09:22:07 PM »
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Whats funny is that by FAR the great % of union employess are government workers---they are the LEAST needful of such a thing


Source?

IIRC, only 8-10% of the workforce is unionized at all.
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« Reply #27 on: February 03, 2007, 09:24:10 PM »
Retention wasn't your strong point, was it?

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« Reply #28 on: February 03, 2007, 09:26:04 PM »
The Teachers Union is the reason our kids are so dumb.
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« Reply #29 on: February 03, 2007, 09:26:56 PM »
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Retention wasn't your strong point, was it?


I work for the federal government. I've heard there are union employees, but I've never met one, not once in fifteen years.

Now, if by government employees, you meant teachers... again, I'm going to have trouble with that number. AFAIK, the U.S. government is the single largest employer in this country. I could be wrong though.
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