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Sandman · « **Reply #30 on:** February 03, 2007, 09:28:46 PM »

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Originally posted by Xargos
The Teachers Union is the reason our kids are so dumb.

Hmmm.. are the unions the reason why teachers spend 6-8 years becoming qualified to be teachers?

Xargos · « **Reply #31 on:** February 03, 2007, 09:36:44 PM »

Teachers Unions are the reason why many of the worthless teachers are in the classroom. Just because someone has been teaching at a school for 20 our 30 years does not mean they are any good.

Sandman · « **Reply #32 on:** February 03, 2007, 09:38:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Xargos
Teachers Unions are the reason why many of the worthless teachers are in the classroom. Just because someone has been teaching at a school for 20 our 30 years does not mean they are any good.

Oh no... I'm talking 6-8 years of college and post-graduate education to just get in the door.

Xargos · « **Reply #33 on:** February 03, 2007, 09:38:43 PM »

Teachers here keep wanting to shorten the school day.

and want to make summer vacation longer.

Xargos · « **Reply #34 on:** February 03, 2007, 09:42:14 PM »

I think people should be judged on how good they are, not by how long they have been there.

Sandman · « **Reply #35 on:** February 03, 2007, 09:52:51 PM »

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Originally posted by Xargos
Teachers here keep wanting to shorten the school day.
and want to make summer vacation longer.

Well, around here they just keep lengthening the school year. My next-door neighbor is a teacher. She busts here bellybutton during the school year and it's far more than a 8-4, 40 hour a week type job.

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #36 on:** February 03, 2007, 09:59:17 PM »

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I think people should be judged on how good they are, not by how long they have been there.

I agree. But the problem is figuring out how good they are.

There are so many variables to testing, and the comparisons of tests that I can't really offer up a solution.

Xargos · « **Reply #37 on:** February 03, 2007, 10:27:31 PM »

With teachers they should be judged on how well their students learn. If their students are doing poor, that means they are poor teachers.

School is not a assembly line.

Sandman · « **Reply #38 on:** February 03, 2007, 10:30:33 PM »

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Originally posted by Xargos
With teachers they should be judged on how well their students learn. If their students are doing poor, that means they are poor teachers.

School is not a assembly line.

...and you're going to use what exactly as a metric? Grades? Test scores?

Oh... and school isn't an assembly line. It's a series of gates. Each student spends one year at a particular level and then they are advanced regardless of their readiness for advancement. Fast kids are slowed down and slow kids just move up even when they're unqualified.

Xargos · « **Reply #39 on:** February 03, 2007, 10:33:49 PM »

Whatever the test is the Teachers Unions should have no say in it.

Sandman · « **Reply #40 on:** February 03, 2007, 10:37:43 PM »

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Originally posted by Xargos
Whatever the test is the Teachers Unions should have no say in it.

Hmmm... you would choose some other people? Hopefully some other experts in the education field? Hmmm... let's see... an expert in education that is not a teacher.

Okey dokie.

Xargos · « **Reply #41 on:** February 03, 2007, 10:39:41 PM »

As long as those educated people are not in the Union or are not paid by them in any way.

Xargos · « **Reply #42 on:** February 03, 2007, 10:41:34 PM »

So you think the Union should have ALL say over education and not the masses?

Just because someone has a degree does not make them smart.

Sandman · « **Reply #43 on:** February 03, 2007, 10:59:21 PM »

So... let's see what we have here.

Xargos, I gather that you believe that a teacher that is part of a union should have no say whatsoever about the standards of education, and because of this belief you in turn have decided that anyone that disagrees with this can only believe that a only teachers that are part of a union should have any say at all.

Maverick · « **Reply #44 on:** February 03, 2007, 11:10:47 PM »

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Oh no... I'm talking 6-8 years of college and post-graduate education to just get in the door.

Sandy,

This is incorrect. It takes a BA to qualify for teacher and get hired. Once hired there are continuing education requirements that result in an MA and credits above since the continuing education requirements don't go away. It's not unusual to see an older teacher with tons of credits above a Masters.

Lots of folks complain bitterly about teachers yet have never set foot in the classroom after they graduated themselves. They have no idea of the requirements or what the job entails. Pity, they should really try it out and see how it is on the other end of the classroom. It's not as easy as they might think.

Frankly it's few parents that are actively engaged in seeing to their own childrens education. They can't be bothered to make sure their own kids know that mom and dad are concerned that the kids do well or even show up. It's far easier to blame the teacher for not educating the kids that don't want to learn.