A GV question

[hubsonfire]

Interesting Pyro, hope you guys can strike a happy medium on this.

[jon]

just a question to think about.what if u unloaded a full load of a flack gun on frontal armour of tiger. in my opinion it eventually should weaken the hull enough to penetrate. even though it is h.e. it would take little bits of armour for each round.if hits were scored in a small area it should do the job.IE i was in a flack, when i came upon an afk panzer.I drove up behind him and shot him with the full load of 37's at point blank range hitting the same point should eventually pounded a hole but it did not.

[Ghastly]

Actually, speaking for myself I only knew that sometimes I strafe a tank and I get an assist, which told me that I was doing (some at least) damage.  I've never gotten a kill on a tank (that I know of) and would have probably thought it odd that I had if it didn't happen until later.

But I kinda doubt that everyone who strafes a tank is hoping to steal a kill from a more deserving player.  I'll bet there are many like me who up to this point strafe them because it's there, and seemingly not paying attention to me so I can get away with it.



Grue

[mutant]

Originally posted by jon
just a question to think about.what if u unloaded a full load of a flack gun on frontal armour of tiger. in my opinion it eventually should weaken the hull enough to penetrate. even though it is h.e. it would take little bits of armour for each round.if hits were scored in a small area it should do the job.IE i was in a flack, when i came upon an afk panzer.I drove up behind him and shot him with the full load of 37's at point blank range hitting the same point should eventually pounded a hole but it did not.

If you get behind a pnzr in a flak, 15 or so rounds in the gas tank will kil it. Tigers are a different story...i havnt figured out how to kil them in a flak yet  but you can immobilze them by taking out tracks and/or engine.



LTARcnuk

[OOZ662]

Looking at the constant hits in the same place issue:

If you hit a tank with a round, it checks if it penetrates the armor. If it does, it counts damage toward parts that would be impacted.

If it doesn't, it's a nocount. Nothing happens. Period.

[Bronk]

Originally posted by OOZ662
Looking at the constant hits in the same place issue:

If you hit a tank with a round, it checks if it penetrates the armor. If it does, it counts damage toward parts that would be impacted.

If it doesn't, it's a nocount. Nothing happens. Period.

Did you read pyro's post?

Bronk

[MOIL]

.303's or .50cal for that matter against a Tiger tank, you might as well throw ping pong balls at it.

Now Rockets & ord's are a different matter.

[BaldEagl]

In my experience no airplane can kill a heavily armored vehicle with only it's guns, no matter what gun package it's carrying as long as the vehicle driver moves into a "safe" spot within the hull (i.e. a place where he is fully surrounded by armor plate with no vision outside through any openings in the hull).  

This includes moving behind the seats in an Ostwind (or Panzer... can't remember for sure if you can get behind the seats in a Panzer) which obviously have armor plated backs or moving forward and down in a Tiger (ducking under the view port).

Light vehicles also cannot kill you while in these positions.

I've survived enemy fighter and light vehicle onslaughts doing this on many many occasions guarding a map room.  My turret and/or pintle might have been out, my engine gone and I may have been tracked although I don't ever remember losing a hull gun.

The point of this being that no amount of ammo outside of ordinance or another tank shell will penetrate the armor of an Ostie, Panzer or Tiger (I haven't found the "safe" spot in a T-34 but rarely use them).

[Lusche]

Originally posted by BaldEagl
In my experience no airplane can kill a heavily armored vehicle with only it's guns, no matter what gun package it's carrying as long as the vehicle driver moves into a "safe" spot within the hull (i.e. a place where he is fully surrounded by armor plate with no vision outside through any openings in the hull).  

 

This is a misconception. Your vulnerabiltity in a GV is not depending on your current position. Staying in the commanders position does not make you more vulnerable to attack. (Did you note that you never got "Pilot Wound", regardless of being protected by armor or not?)

[Bronk]

Originally posted by BaldEagl
In my experience no airplane can kill a heavily armored vehicle with only it's guns, no matter what gun package it's carrying as long as the vehicle driver moves into a "safe" spot within the hull (i.e. a place where he is fully surrounded by armor plate with no vision outside through any openings in the hull).  

This includes moving behind the seats in an Ostwind (or Panzer... can't remember for sure if you can get behind the seats in a Panzer) which obviously have armor plated backs or moving forward and down in a Tiger (ducking under the view port).

Light vehicles also cannot kill you while in these positions.

I've survived enemy fighter and light vehicle onslaughts doing this on many many occasions guarding a map room.  My turret and/or pintle might have been out, my engine gone and I may have been tracked although I don't ever remember losing a hull gun.

The point of this being that no amount of ammo outside of ordinance or another tank shell will penetrate the armor of an Ostie, Panzer or Tiger (I haven't found the "safe" spot in a T-34 but rarely use them).

Care to test this against a hurri 2d vs panzer?
I am more than willing to prove that theory wrong.

Bronk

[croduh]

I've seen rockets bounce off tiger

[68Ripper]

Originally posted by BaldEagl
In my experience no airplane can kill a heavily armored vehicle with only it's guns, no matter what gun package it's carrying as long as the vehicle driver moves into a "safe" spot within the hull (i.e. a place where he is fully surrounded by armor plate with no vision outside through any openings in the hull).  

This includes moving behind the seats in an Ostwind (or Panzer... can't remember for sure if you can get behind the seats in a Panzer) which obviously have armor plated backs or moving forward and down in a Tiger (ducking under the view port).

Light vehicles also cannot kill you while in these positions.

I've survived enemy fighter and light vehicle onslaughts doing this on many many occasions guarding a map room.  My turret and/or pintle might have been out, my engine gone and I may have been tracked although I don't ever remember losing a hull gun.

The point of this being that no amount of ammo outside of ordinance or another tank shell will penetrate the armor of an Ostie, Panzer or Tiger (I haven't found the "safe" spot in a T-34 but rarely use them).

HT has stated before, it does not matter where in the GV you are. you cant hide.

[badhorse]

Originally posted by Pyro
Ahh, I know why this happens.  It's the tracks.  They are a damageable component and can soak up a large quantity of damage from light cannon and MG which unbalances the kill awarding.  I'll have to see if there's a way that HT can alter the awarding of GV kills to take that into account.

Wow!!  Much more than I expected. Thanks Pyro.

[GooseAW]

When, if, a round of any kind penetrates a "soft spot" it doesn't just dissappear. It fragments or ricochets around the crew compartment doing damage. Another game that focuses more heavily on the ground war in WW2 models this very intricately. I believe there were many instances in RL where 50 cal did damage to PzIV and earlier models. The IV in most areas had no thicker armor than did the PzIII.

Given that the focus here is the Air War......I say the effects are modeled pretty well. But I don't know squat about coad..

[OOZ662]

Originally posted by Bronk
Did you read pyro's post?

Yes. My post is a different subject. His is damage to tank parts. Mine is armor penetration without regard to damage; if you sit in a T-34 and plink a Tiger all day in the same spot with AP rounds, they will never penetrate.