Thanks, Joe...

[AWMac]

Originally posted by Maverick
Some of us did and tried to get back in. What did you do since you're in such a mood for volunteering others?

Last week the most I could do was to be an honor guard with some other Patriot Guard members for a soldier who came home.

Amen Maverick,



Mac

[AWMac]

Originally posted by rpm
I signed up on my 17th birthday and served 4 years. There are some here cheerleading that hav'nt set foot in a recruiters office.

Lately I've been collecting phone cards for wounded soldiers.

Mac <------ Joined US Army at 17, 1975....Retired at 37, 1995.

Earned my voice.

I don't have time for some armchair wannabee General that has never served other than at a burger place or had Daddy give em all they need.

Pisssants,

Mac

[AWMac]

I'm sure the Libs will have their panties in a knot over my remarks.... Live with it and move on girls.

Mac

[DiabloTX]

[Eagler]

Originally posted by rpm
Maybe if a few more "experienced" people were in Washington, we would'nt have to have this debate.

I don't think you can get anymore "experienced" than John McCain. He and Joe are some of the few in DC who understand the importance of Iraq from the long term view point (Iran/Syria) and will admit it publicly.

[Gunthr]

to Lieberman for putting into words so well what some of our politicians need to be told.  It should shame them, but i guess that is too much to expect from most politicians.

[Toad]

Originally posted by rpm
The vote is not "against the troops" as the Bush contention would so love to spin it, it's a vote of no confidence in Bush's plan and for the safety of our troops.

No confidence in Bush's plan is OK as far as I'm concerned. I'm not sure it'll work either.

The catch is that there has to be SOME plan. So far, I haven't really seen any of those opposing Bush's plan put forth anything to replace that has anymore chance of success.

So, it's OK to beech but you need to have a better idea to put forward when you do. Otherwise, yer just beechin'.

A better idea is what's lacking so far, on all sides.

[Sabre]

Originally posted by rpm
Better yet, march right down to the local recuiters office and put it on the line intead of flappin yer gums at someone else's expense.

I'm a twenty-year veteran of the armed services.  Don't talk to me about flappin gums at someone elses expense.  See my sig.

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Toad
No confidence in Bush's plan is OK as far as I'm concerned. I'm not sure it'll work either.

The catch is that there has to be SOME plan. So far, I haven't really seen any of those opposing Bush's plan put forth anything to replace that has anymore chance of success.

So, it's OK to beech but you need to have a better idea to put forward when you do. Otherwise, yer just beechin'.

A better idea is what's lacking so far, on all sides.

Agreed. and while Im not particularly in favor of Bush's plan. either.
I havent seen anyone put forth any other. Kind reminds me of Kerry's "I have a plan" but never saying exactly what that pan was.
Furthermore I see this non binding resolution as nothing more then political posturing more then anything else.

Which may very well play well with the american public who's attitude they largely created. But it is also being watched by the rest of the world and our enemies in particular.

I dont think many quite get the gravity of the message this is sending.
To radical Islam we are viewed as weak. This in their eyes will be seen as proof of that beleif. To them this will be seen as a great victory. and give them the confidence to attack us at will. Knowing they can turn the sides against one another.

As Lincoln said "A House divided cannot stand"
and that is exactly how we will be viewed.

When what is needed is the showing of a united front who just happens to dissagree with how we should go about accomplishing our goals.

A non binding resolution is pointless as it stops nothiing.
It seems our representatives are following the lead of the UN.

[Vudak]

Guys who aren't in the military have no say?

What are we, Prussia?

Oh, I forgot, anyone and everyone in the armed forces is automatically brighter and better than everyone out of it.

And every last one who's in the service right now would have still signed up had they been born with a silver spoon in their mouth.

Also, no one EVER signed up for the military because they were too stupid or undisciplined to make it in this capitalist society without it.



I apologize for the generalizations...  But quid pro quo...  I appreciate what you all have done for me.  If I ever see you in a bar, the drinks are on me, and I'll do my best to help you out because I recognize the sacrifices you've all made...  But don't let it get to your head too much.  There wouldn't be much worth fighting for without the civilian population and you all wouldn't get any pay without it either.

Food for thought, eh?

[lazs2]

I never tried but I talk to the ones who not only tried but have served two or more terms in iraq.   I asked them what they think we should do.

I form my opinions based on that.   They want my support and they want their good work to be recognized.

Seems fair and decent to me.   Those who would cut and run don't care what the soldiers want it seems to me.  They are not there either but... they sure as hell want to run the show.

Now... we are all paying for this war so we all have some small say in it but...

I gotta go with what the guys on the ground want.

Do you think they appreciate a "resolution" to embolden the enemy?

Do ya?

lazs

[Maverick]

If the politicians with their win office and power at ANY and ALL costs used that same "will" in regards to foriegn affairs and the war, the situation overseas would be far different. The enemy already knows they have won the conflict here in the States. All they have to do is maintain the pressure and our operations will collapse shortly. As far as a "house divided" being obvious to them, hell our own media spoon feeds it every day to them and their intel gathering operation here on this side of the pond.

[Toad]

Originally posted by Maverick
The enemy already knows they have won the conflict here in the States. All they have to do is maintain the pressure and our operations will collapse shortly.  

It's Deja Vu all over again, innit Mav?

And Damn... we swore it would never happen again.

Ah well, I guess that one went down the same road as the "war to end all wars".

[Maverick]

Yep Toad it is. sigh.

clintoons little election speech blurb about it pretty much summed the situation up. It was the part when she said when she is elected if the war isn't over by then, she will end it. Not win it, just end it.

There is all kinds of talk in Washington about ending, not winning. Why should the enemy feel bad about how things are going?

[x0847Marine]

Originally posted by john9001
clip from joe's speech.

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you tell them joe.

When politicians have noting to say, which is most of the time, they harp on the ubiquitous  'message'. I'll bet you didn't know Joe was a mind reader, hes got that congressional talent to crawl inside the average Iraqi skull and know what they'll think... before they even think it!!

Message speeches, besides being a waste of time, are assumptions based on opinions made to sound 'rah rah motivational' by the speech writer on staff.