Author Topic: Thanks, Joe... (Read 1321 times)

john9001 · « **Reply #30 on:** February 07, 2007, 11:02:34 AM »

it doesnt take a mind reader to know what the Iraqis think, the peaceful majority of Iraqis think we will abandon them like we did to south Vietnam, the terrorists know they only have to hang on a little longer before the Americans run home to mommy.

opps, by run home i really meant "redeploy"

Toad · « **Reply #31 on:** February 07, 2007, 11:13:41 AM »

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Originally posted by x0847Marine
hes got that congressional talent to crawl inside the average Iraqi skull and know what they'll think... before they even think it!!

How much prescience does it take to see that when we pull out there's going to be a whole lot more killing?

You think suddenly it'll be all hearts and flowers between the sectarian factions? Or bloody civil war?

You think the "average Iraqi" doesn't have an idea which is more likely?

VOR · « **Reply #32 on:** February 07, 2007, 11:20:03 AM »

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Originally posted by rpm
No, but pumping more men into a needless meatgrinder isn't the answer either. The vote is not "against the troops" as the Bush contention would so love to spin it, it's a vote of no confidence in Bush's plan and for the safety of our troops.

That means alot more than a magnetic yellow ribbon. Thanks.

x0847Marine · « **Reply #33 on:** February 07, 2007, 11:41:27 AM »

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Originally posted by Toad
How much prescience does it take to see that when we pull out there's going to be a whole lot more killing?

You think suddenly it'll be all hearts and flowers between the sectarian factions? Or bloody civil war?

You think the "average Iraqi" doesn't have an idea which is more likely?

I'm talking about this absurd 'message' rhetoric.. MOAM already accomplished.

Boosh sent the Mother Of All Messages; he is the HMFIC, its his military, and hes going to do wtf he wants which includes staying in Iraq until they drag him kicking & screaming from the White House. END OF MESSAGE.

Joe and his page molesting drunk land scamming cronies can write all the letters to Bush they want, its utterly ridiculous to assume that moderates and enemies alike will care after the MOAM.

Besides that, messages are being delivered 24/7 by drunk party hacks seeking face time on cable news, they spew their opinions ad nauseum... moderates & enemies already know the score here, some meaningless letter from a handful of party hacks is just 1 more piece of noise... but Joe wants us to believe that for some reason this letter will cut through all the message static and be the worst thing ever.. lame political posturing at its pathetic best.

rpm · « **Reply #34 on:** February 07, 2007, 06:29:04 PM »

Maybe if the HMFIC had listened to a few generals with combat experience instead of firing them and putting Yes men in their place, we would already have a stable government in Baghdad and troops back home.

Bush spent his political capitol and is now politically bankrupt. Too bad it took over 3000 brave American lives since 9/11 for it to happen.

Gunthr · « **Reply #35 on:** February 07, 2007, 08:41:34 PM »

i don't see how we can pull out of Iraq, tho if democrats can make it happen, they will.

P.S. me and my little brother did enlist in the US Army in 1969. because we thought it was the right thing to do for our country, and we could get a college education in return. Were we dumb kids? maybe.... but we were true Americans. I worry today about America's ability to do anything with a single will. maybe those days are over, and we are doomed to a world-wide paralizing malaise, where the only people who can truley ACT are hungry Islamists.

Toad · « **Reply #36 on:** February 07, 2007, 09:43:40 PM »

Nice rant.

I see you didn't address anything I wrote, however.

When you're done spewing, I'd appreciate an answer to those questions. The ones I actually asked.

Eagler · « **Reply #37 on:** February 08, 2007, 05:49:26 AM »

what Gunthr said ..
I fear we as a nation of PC limp wrists do not have the fortitude to sustain any conflict these days that is not wrapped up in 30 days or less ...

our enemies realize this as well ..

firbal · « **Reply #38 on:** February 08, 2007, 08:45:10 AM »

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Originally posted by rpm
Better yet, march right down to the local recuiters office and put it on the line intead of flappin yer gums at someone else's expense.

What a tool. RPM, you better know who your talking about here. Most of us have servered. Have you?

And the Sentor has it right. I support the war. And I have a investment in Iraq now. One of my wifes son is a Marine there. He's not a grunt, but at a airbase away for most of the troubles. Hopefully I will never have to comfort her if the worst happens.

Fireball
ex SSG,US Army
Desert Storm VET

rpm · « **Reply #39 on:** February 08, 2007, 11:14:36 AM »

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Originally posted by firbal
What a tool. RPM, you better know who your talking about here. Most of us have servered. Have you?

Yes, I know who I'm talking about and it's not that hard to figure out. I'm also talking about chickenhawks micromanaging a war they know nothing about (other than how to turn a profit) and playing the fear card anytime someone questions their actions. I'm talking about sending our children to war while not asking the same of your own.

I asked this same question in a different thread, but it fits here as well. If Wesley Clark had won the '04 election, do you think we would still be bogged down in the Iraqi quagmire?

Toad · « **Reply #40 on:** February 08, 2007, 11:22:58 AM »

I think either we'd still be there taking casualties or we'd have already pulled out and have let the civil war begin.

I don't think Clark could have pulled a rabbit out of the hat.

john9001 · « **Reply #41 on:** February 08, 2007, 11:25:22 AM »

we don't send "children to war ".

rpm · « **Reply #42 on:** February 08, 2007, 11:32:20 AM »

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Originally posted by john9001
we don't send "children to war " while their parents are in office.

Fixed

midnight Target · « **Reply #43 on:** February 08, 2007, 11:59:46 AM »

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Originally posted by Toad
I think either we'd still be there taking casualties or we'd have already pulled out and have let the civil war begin.

I don't think Clark could have pulled a rabbit out of the hat.

The rabbit was already dead by 2004.

Bodhi · « **Reply #44 on:** February 08, 2007, 12:02:22 PM »

I support Lieberman's message. I like what he said, and find it sad that many do not see the wisdom in his words.

It is interesting to hear though what many here seem to believe in. I often wonder whether they "get it" as the only possible way to win is like Lt. Gen. David Petreaus is to win the battle of "wills".

I fear we are in the process of losing that here. I fear that the actions of many power hungry politicians so very concerned with "power" in Washington will undermine anything and everything we as a nation put forth to win this war that it is almost impossible to continue with out addressing the issue here at home.

I think that starts with the truth. That truth is that devisiveness is not the key to winning the war. Support our troops, support our plan, or come up with a different plan. Either way, be truthful about your motives, and do not try to use the "I care about troops card" to make a grab for power.

Truly care. Come up with a plan to win, not end the war.