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Offline Krusty

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« Reply #15 on: February 10, 2007, 12:36:56 PM »
Only, benny, you're forgetting that "close" was good enough in WW2. Even though spits might have turned "tighter" the 190s still turned awfully damn "tight".

The reports are that when the spits encountered 190s, the 190s weren't afraid to turnfight like the 109s were. And normally folks think of 109s as better turners. The 190s turned with spits and kept up in many cases.

So it was pretty damn close at first.

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« Reply #16 on: February 10, 2007, 12:43:44 PM »
Sorry Treize, for being a participant in the hijack.:o

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« Reply #17 on: February 10, 2007, 03:23:06 PM »
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Originally posted by Krusty
Only, benny, you're forgetting that "close" was good enough in WW2. Even though spits might have turned "tighter" the 190s still turned awfully damn "tight".

The reports are that when the spits encountered 190s, the 190s weren't afraid to turnfight like the 109s were. And normally folks think of 109s as better turners. The 190s turned with spits and kept up in many cases.

So it was pretty damn close at first.


Krusty, this is ridiculous.  The P-38 turned with Zekes and kept up in many cases, yet you'd be all over me if I tried using that argument.  The British said that the Spitifire was much better at turning circles than the Focke-Wulf, and you're the only person I've ever heard question that.  Anyway, you seem to have missed the point of my post.  The point was that, although considerably inferior in turning circles, the early FW-190s were able to dogfight Spitfires because of superiority in all other aspects of maneuverability.

"Close was good enough in World War II" - that's why, with greater maneuverability in areas other than turn, the P-47 was able to dogfight Me-109s, and win.  Anyone who says that American ships were unmaneuverable is full of beans.  The P-47 was the least maneuverable of the United States fighters, and it was roughly equal to the FW-190.  Fighters like the P-51 and P-38 were superior to the FW-190 in maneuverabilty, and were as good as or better than the Me-109.  I say again, turning ability does not equal maneuverability - and in any case, the only United States fighter with a lack of turning ability was the P-47.

The British, in fact, considered the P-51B to be equal to some Spitfire models in turning circles.  Of course, those P-51s were running at much higher manifold pressures than the P-51 in Aces High.  You'll find, if you do research, that the reason that the American fighters were maneuverable even though they were heavy was because of their greater power.
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« Reply #18 on: February 10, 2007, 05:46:21 PM »
Skuzzy, please lock the thread. I'm getting sick of checking the responses hoping for something constructive and finding those jackoffs seeing who can piss further.

If anybody knows, PM me, otherwise STFU.
« Last Edit: February 10, 2007, 06:21:46 PM by Treize69 »
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« Reply #19 on: February 10, 2007, 06:12:32 PM »
lol
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Offline Benny Moore

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« Reply #20 on: February 10, 2007, 06:52:38 PM »
I'm sorry that you feel I'm trying to have a weewee contest; I was trying to dispell a popular myth pervaded by people who slander American airplanes.

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« Reply #21 on: February 10, 2007, 08:00:28 PM »
I see Benny is being his delusional and repugnant self.

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« Reply #22 on: February 10, 2007, 08:04:26 PM »
Benny, the key here was the thread starter was asking a question about a historical incident, not a question about flight models etc.

The thread got seriously hijacked with comments that had nothing to do with the poster's intent.

The guys that fly your H2H room say you are a great guy, but you have a nasty habit of changing the topics you jump on, into a battle for who had better planes or how we might change the flight model in AH.

Thats all well and good, but confine it to topics specific to it, not one like this.

I think folks would be much more receptive to talking about it that way.
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Offline Benny Moore

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« Reply #23 on: February 10, 2007, 08:11:17 PM »
Right, thanks for clarifying; I'll keep that in mind.  But I really don't see what else I'm supposed to do when someone stands up and makes a statement like "American airplanes were unmaneuverable."

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« Reply #24 on: February 10, 2007, 08:13:46 PM »
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Right, thanks for clarifying; I'll keep that in mind.  But I really don't see what else I'm supposed to do when someone stands up and makes a statement like "American airplanes were unmaneuverable."


Tell em not to hijack the thread :)
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« Reply #25 on: February 10, 2007, 08:43:50 PM »
Ignore him, the rest of us have gotten really good at it.
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