Originally posted by E25280
While all the quotes I edited out sound good and are interesting and all, they told me nothing about the USA PATRIOT Act, or why you think it is so dangerous.
What Whitehawk seemed to be saying in his original post is something akin to "you guys only like it because a Republican is in the white house, you wouldn't like it so much if a Democrat were there." Perhaps that is inaccurate, but it was about the same type of conversation I had just had with my dad about a different matter, so that was my understanding.
And my basic point, to which you have not offered any real refutation, is that it doesn't matter who is in charge. No President is more or less likely to abuse any given law. No law is "good" under one party and "bad" under another, IMO.
If you say the USA PATRIOT Act is bad law, fine. I fully admit I have not read it. But the people complaining about it are by and large those who I intrinsically distrust. The parts they complain about ("oh, no, you might find out someone downloaded pr0n at the library!" "oh, no, you can't listen to Al Quaeda operatives in Pakistan if they are calling someone in the USA! You need a warrant for that!" etc. ) just seem silly.
Maybe it is ground well tread for you, but as an infrequent visitor to the O'club, the paranoia displayed here is beyond my puny powers of comprehension. So, please, feel free to educate me about all the bad things in the law. I am always willing to learn. But you haven't helped so far.
How about you do a lookup of the Patriot Act yourself?
Do some looking around and you will find the Patriot Act has already been used by local law enforcement on Americans.
Read what they can do to you now! It basically suspends the Bill of Rights.
YOU can be declared a terroist, all they have to do is say you are a terroist, and you become one.
How about this. They can now come into your home. Without you knowledge or permission. Take something without telling you. AND if you report to the law what looks to you like a theft they can, should they so chose, arrest you for enterfering with their investigation. ALL without a WARRENT!
Don't take my word for it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Go read it!
