Author Topic: Spitifres (Read 2072 times)

1K3 · « **Reply #15 on:** February 12, 2007, 03:36:05 AM »

hmmm if spitfire was *that* maneuverable then how come the Japanese Navy massacred so many spit Vs in PAC. Spits pilots tried their proven TnB tactics (TM) against the Zeros and failed spetacularly. Spitfires had the HIGHEST lost rate in the Pacific front.

SuperDud · « **Reply #16 on:** February 12, 2007, 03:58:37 AM »

Because they aren't more maneuverable as a zero... as they found out in real life just like you said:aok

FBplmmr · « **Reply #17 on:** February 12, 2007, 05:05:22 AM »

ok so we have established that the spit is not over modeled... now we know its just easy to fly.

so the guys who get kills in a spit aren't really good pilots ... they are just flying an easy plane!:D

Trukk · « **Reply #18 on:** February 12, 2007, 05:08:07 AM »

In every WWII flight sim MMOG I've flown in, people have complained about the Spitfire being uber or over modeled. It was a great aircraft whose flight characteristics also happen to be very good for flight sim games where guys don't fly to stay alive (like in real life) but instead fly for action (and then wonder why their experience doesn't match real life).

Regarding the Pacific, even Hurricanes suffered heavy losses when they tried to TnB with Zeros and Oscars, and it took them awhile to un-learn that (which works so well against German aircraft) and switch to BnZ.

Serenity · « **Reply #19 on:** February 12, 2007, 05:08:43 AM »

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Originally posted by Guppy35
Quoting current high time Spitfire pilot Charles Brown.

"The Spitfire Mk V is undoubtedly the most delightful, capable and yet utterly benign aircraft that I have ever flown. All Spitfires speak to you through the controls, but none more then this aircraft. It is utterly predictable in its handling and positively inspires me with confidence. Even the take off and landing are easy compared to other aircraft of the same configuration, power and weight."

Tuck got his first flights in Spit Is with two bladed, fixed pitch props. Take offs were a bit different with a prop that had to handle both take off and cruise and high speed flight.

We're blessed with variable pitch props in AH that adjust to take the power of the engine as needed for the task at hand.

lol. True, but its still not modelled right then! Even the Spitfire mk I takes off WAY to easily I think! But really, even with fixed and variable pitch, the length of the prop blades is the same is it not? The difficulty I mention wasnt cause by any control problem or anything, its just a long prop you need to get used to. Same for the nose issue.

(For the benefit of those who are just LOOKING for something to shout at me for, this post, and the others above it are jokes and are NOT meant to be taken seriously. Now that IK3 is here I feel the need to post this disclaimer)

Nilsen · « **Reply #20 on:** February 12, 2007, 06:14:23 AM »

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Originally posted by FBplmmr
so the guys who get kills in a spit aren't really good pilots ... they are just flying an easy plane!

Its a good plane to fly for the beginner yes. Just make sure you move on to other planes when your 2 week trial is done

MrRiplEy[H] · « **Reply #21 on:** February 12, 2007, 06:18:17 AM »

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Originally posted by Guppy35
Atoon. Just to put it in perspective. While in England a couple years ago i was talking to a guy who flies Spits currently.

His comment on the Spit was that it's too easy to fly. They were flying a Hurricane and Spit V to Malta for an airshow and the two pilots took turns on the two planes because the Hurricane was the bigger challenge to fly.

He said that they probably should have started new pilots on Spits and then moved them on to T-6s and such.

What an amazing testement to the designer of the Spit that he could create such a great combat fighter yet give it such ease of handling that newbie Spit pilots could have a chance to survive in it as well.

Don't blame the Spit for being the plane it is. And quit with the game somehow made one plane easier so newbies could get some confidence.

Your combat Spit flight time is how much?

This matches finnish ww2 time reports spot on - they said the Hurricane was a complete dog to fly and the brewster flew circles around it. Same was told about spitfire at low altitudes with the difference that the spit had extremely good characteristics at high altitude.

Kweassa · « **Reply #22 on:** February 12, 2007, 06:32:11 AM »

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lol. True, but its still not modelled right then! Even the Spitfire mk I takes off WAY to easily I think! But really, even with fixed and variable pitch, the length of the prop blades is the same is it not? The difficulty I mention wasnt cause by any control problem or anything, its just a long prop you need to get used to. Same for the nose issue.

And when was the last time you ever took off in a Spit Mk.I to base such claims of overmodelling on?

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(For the benefit of those who are just LOOKING for something to shout at me for, this post, and the others above it are jokes and are NOT meant to be taken seriously. Now that IK3 is here I feel the need to post this disclaimer)

That's quite convenient, isn't it? Talk whatever you want, and if somebody questions it, it suddenly becomes a joke.

Perhaps if you ever took the time to actually provide back-up material for every thing you say here, people won't be so much tempted to start shouting at you for being a clueless moron. Normally, people don't demand proof for everything one says because there is a certain trust on common logic shared by people - such as "I will not go claim certain things without something to prove myself right". Except you've walked over that boundary of trust long ago, and nothing ever you say will ever be treated with any kind of seriousness ever again.

rogerdee · « **Reply #23 on:** February 12, 2007, 07:25:51 AM »

doesnt this all sound like the wines that came along when the ki84 came out?

ki84 cam out everyone moaned then everyone flew it then the spitfires got remodeled and the spoit 16 came and everyonewent to the spit!!!!!

next plane remodeled or added will get the same responce

Benny Moore · « **Reply #24 on:** February 12, 2007, 07:33:11 AM »

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Originally posted by Karnak
We did have one Spitfire pilot from New Zealand try AH a few years back. He said the AH Spitfire was mushy and harder to control than the real one was. He said it felt like it was worn out.

So there you have it, the AH Spitfires are undermodeled according to a guy who flew real Spitfires in real combat.

(I have no idea how accurate his memories were or if he had enough stick time in AH to really get a feel for it. I am just posting a paraphrase of what a real Spit pilot said about AH)

Any airplane in any simulator is going to feel "mushy and harder to control" than the real thing. The problem isn't so much the software as much as the hardware. A gaming joystick will always be far less accurate than a real aircraft stick or yoke. Trust me, the difference is like that between keyboard and gaming joystick. A real airplane yoke is as precise as your car's steering wheel. There's no overcompensation and no oscillation.

ColKLink · « **Reply #25 on:** February 12, 2007, 08:46:52 AM »

I will be the 1st to admit i hate running into a spitfire, specially if I know hes not a newb. In the next breath i'll say the spit wasnt ww2's top of the line fighter for nothing, they were good, ask any german 109 pilot, if you can find one.

hubsonfire · « **Reply #26 on:** February 12, 2007, 08:49:54 AM »

No 2 planes are modelled exactly alike, so one always has to be harder to fly, and one easier, correct? If we take out or "fix" every plane that's easier to fly than another, won't we wind up with just one plane?

Bronk · « **Reply #27 on:** February 12, 2007, 12:14:11 PM »

See Rules #4, #5

Major Biggles · « **Reply #28 on:** February 12, 2007, 12:35:24 PM »

See Rule #4

Flatbar · « **Reply #29 on:** February 12, 2007, 12:43:59 PM »

I've been here since beta3, flown just about every model of fighter but maybe not all variants. I made a point of staying away from flying spits because of this silly dweeb moniker that spit fliers seem to attract.

I tried the Spit16 last week I'm having more fun than I've had in quite a while here.

The bottom line is that you are here to have fun while pretending to be a WWII pilot, find out how you have fun here and damn the trash talkers. Fly what you want and have fun killing the opposition and relish in their cries of 'Spit Dweeb' and wear that moniker with pride knowing that you are having fun on your terms, they are just fuel for that fun.

Then learn how to fly some other cartoon plane, see if you can capture the moniker of NiKi Dweeb, LaLa Dweeb, or even a Pony Dweeb. Just remember, those calling you a dweeb are probably dead by your pretend dweeby guns and are whining about it, all the while you had fun!