Bf109 exhaust fumes in cockpit

[Charge]

"Wasn't it you who started to talk about anti-LW debate because ramzey just asked the question?"

Yes, so? I wouldn't have if I'd known it hurt your feelings.


"Anyway, the quote says that exhaust fumes did enter to the cockpit of the Bf 109G in cruise."

And where is that quote from?

Too bad they forgot to mention it in the manuals:
http://www.virtualpilots.fi/hist/WW2History-Manuals.html

Not that I consider manuals to be the most reliable source for performance or armament or the use in practice -they probably tended to be outdated quite fast. But I'd expect such major hazard to be mentioned in the manual.

 

-C+

[Viking]

Originally posted by MiloMorai
If that is the case, then exhaust fumes could certainly find their way into the cockpit.

Yes and I suspect they did, but probably not to a dangerous degree or we would have heard a lot more about it.

[gripen]

Originally posted by Charge

Yes, so? I wouldn't have if I'd known it hurt your feelings.

Hm... ramzey's question has nothing to do with anti-LW debate, but apparently you saw it like anti-LW.

Generally exhaust fumes caused problems for all air forces, including LW.

Originally posted by Charge

And where is that quote from?

"Lentäjän Näkökulma II", p. 247.

Originally posted by Charge

Too bad they forgot to mention it in the manuals...

There are plenty of issues which are not mentioned in the manuals nor in the web sites.

gripen

[Debonair]

there is nothing about it in the Cessna 170 book
the guy i know that died of cockpit CO was driving his C-170
moral of the story: if you're an A&P & a cheapskate, maybe dont work on your own plane.

[Benny Moore]

My point isn't that it was or was not a problem, my point is that it probably wasn't more of a problem for the Me-109 than for other planes.  We know that taking off and landing was more of a problem for the Messerschmitt than for most fighters, because references to it are found in abundance.  So if the exhaust was more of a problem for the 109 than for other ships, one would expect references to it to likewise abound.

Of course I have no data whatsoever, so I'm not saying that it was or was not a problem.  I'm just pointing out that there's been no data presented to indicate that the Me Hundertneun was more prone to having smoke or fumes in the cockpit than any other kite.

[Debonair]

unlike a groundloop, CO is colorless & odorless

[Benny Moore]

Of course I have no data whatsoever, so I'm not saying that it was or was not a problem. I'm just pointing out that there's been no data presented to indicate that the Me-109 was more prone to having smoke or fumes in the cockpit than any other kite.

[MiloMorai]

Wasn't a resent crash of a 109 blamed on CO?

[Guppy35]

Originally posted by Karnak
Bob Tuck was about to go up in a Tiffie for a test flight when a phone call pulled hi  away, so he told another pilot to take it.

That pilot augered it so hard there were only bits of him recovered, but in testing a piece of his liver Tuck said they found enough carbon monoxide to kill an elephant.

Seems like it was standard practice with Tiffies to get the oxygen mask on right away because of this, at least for a time.

[BlauK]

Gripen's quote is from a paragraph discussing fuel consumption and flying time. The quote translates as:

"Flying at lower, air resistance wise more advantageous, speeds was awkward because of the soot forming into spark plugs and the exhaust fumes flowing to cockpit."

Should that be interpreted as "cruising speed" or even more slowly?