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Offline cav58d

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« on: February 14, 2007, 11:47:01 PM »
Can anyone recommend a good notebook that can run AH for $1500 or less?
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« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2007, 11:57:57 PM »
i could

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« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2007, 12:00:57 AM »
Please do then.  I made another post in the hardware forum.  I just need something to travel with.  If possible, i'm looking for something that runs XP, wireless internet, Microsoft Word, and the ability to run AH without any video or graphic cocerns...If that is possible.  The highest I can go right now would be $1,700.  So any suggestions?
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« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2007, 12:03:23 AM »
i have nothing to prove here
whats in it for me?

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« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2007, 12:09:14 AM »
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Can anyone recommend a good notebook that can run AH for $1500 or less?


The new notbooks these days run win vista

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« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2007, 12:54:46 AM »
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Please do then.  I made another post in the hardware forum.  I just need something to travel with.  If possible, i'm looking for something that runs XP, wireless internet, Microsoft Word, and the ability to run AH without any video or graphic cocerns...If that is possible.  The highest I can go right now would be $1,700.  So any suggestions?


You can make that $1800 if you blow off office and just install "Open Office" instead

Available for free at
http://www.openoffice.org/

Someone in the harware forums pointed it out to me. I turned my son onto it. Now half his dorm uses it too LOL

Works just as well a MS Office at none of the price.

Cant halp ya with the laptop though. Been almost a year since I picked my sons up
but his HP Pavilion runs AH pretty good cept in the most dence furballs
Just make sure the Video ram is seperate then the system ram and not shared and apply minimum specs for the game
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« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2007, 12:58:13 AM »
Dont waste your time with newegg unless you specifically love what they have currently.  newegg, zipzoomfly, etc all have '.....ok....' deals on laptops.

Honestly.  If you watch best buy, circuit city and the 'others'...you might find some deals when they go onsale.

Another place to look is to type in 'deals' in google and follow those links.  Usually some good ones.  one in particuliar listed a dell with an independent video card.  THATS what you want for gaming.  Aces High runs on my laptop, it will run on any new laptop honestly.  If you get something that doesn't share the system memory for video ram, then you are much better off.

This laptop: http://www.techdeals.net/2007/02/14/dell-inspiron-6400-154-intel-dual-core-laptop-719/

honestly isn't too shaby.

Also, something to keep in mind when you are buying a laptop is that Dual core and Core 2 Duo are TWO DIFFERENT animals all together.
Dual core is 32 bit, while Core 2 Duo is 64 bit.  Honestly, the differences are nothing at this stage in the game.  And, when 32 bit processors came out, that was supposed to eliminate 16 bit processors immediately and that didn't happen as the software built was still in dummy mode.
If I were you and you were looking to spend that type of money, I would look for the BEST deal for awhile.  Check what you can get from the 'name brands' for that type of money, then watch for specials and see what the differences are and how much money they attribute to those differences.
You ARE going to pay more for core 2 , keep that in mind.

DO NOT GET ANYTHING LESS THAN 1 GIG of memory.  2 gigs would be nice but, apps like Aces High do not use it.  

Also, you may want to opt to keep windows xp pro instead of vista.  There is a perf hit on vista for games tested, but Aces High was not one of them.  I believe it will also suffer but with a decent system...and I don't mean great or high end, a DECENT system will run Aces High very nicely.  

The system that deal has already speced out is nice, if you take their recommendation and take the 4 mb level 2 cache CORE 2 chip, then you are still under 1k and should be flying the not so friendly skies for years to come without issues, and anything else you launch from your computer. :)

Don't fall for the price trap.  Laptops are great but the hardest thing to do is to STOP buying up.  For another $100 I could get, and then another $50 I would get SO much more.
You can keep going for days on end looking at this stuff, which you should...but as long as your 'line in the sand' on how much you want to spend stays steady, then you are doing the right thing.  Unless it is definetely something you want, don't upgrade to it.

Always buy about 15-25% more than what you need in computers.  nothing more, nothing less.

The only thing I might add to this is, that you MAY want to checkout a dell store and try out some of these laptops.  Some of these newer HP and Dell laptops have a mouse pad on them that feel like they are actually just part of the plastic from the computer case.  Very sticky or washy feel.  If you travel and use a laptop extensively like I do for business, it would be rather annoying.

HP business laptops are the best for me.  I love the touchpads, and the double it with an eraser tip center mouse also usually.  They look and feel like thinkpads with more reliability than junkpads and at a cheaper price.
DO NOT buy a used thinkpad either.  I can't tell you how many I have scraped for companies that have issues with their power ports being worn, or their large screens causing shorts because they were poorly designed and over the years have worn from opening and closing, and are now basically worthless.   Don't get me wrong, they are nice laptops...but I see too many issues with them.

Also, Circuit City had a nice laptop.  It was a gateway for $599 but had shared video mem.  It will still run AH, and came stock with 1 gig of ram..a large hd and vista prem.  Unfortunately they are out of stock, although you might get best buy to match if you can actually find someone to wait on your or answer the phone.  
Best buy also has an Acer for $599 that is almost a duplicate to teh gateway with just a smaller HD.  
The gateway had aircraft grade aluminum for the interior portion of the case.  Pretty nice and it felt like a durable laptop.

HP recently had a nice deal with rebates, but rebates are annoying.  I checked it out recently and found that the case and touchpad were for home users only.  You would never want to travel with this thing as it would look horrible and it was hard to use otherwise.

Well I hope I helped you out.  I would suggest definetely being able to touch what you buy and WAITING for the deal.  You will SAVE HUNDREDS if you do.

My biggest piece of advice for you however, in short: Is to make sure the video card says XXX megs of ram (and is NOT shared from the system mem).  They will try to trick you by saying UP TO XXX ram, that is a sure sign it is share ram from the system.  Oh and don't rely on store employees to tell you the right thing.  One minute they are unpacking RCA cables, another they are selling laptops.  I listened to this one guy tell these people a laptop had the fastest cpu possible and it was a dual core, not core 2.....1.6ghz system with only 256 megs of ram.  

Anyway, GL!  Tell us what you get when you get it :)

EDIT:  FYI Centrino is not a name for a processor.  Centrino is the name given to a group of items (wireless adapter, A pentium M processor, and a Motherboard Chipset).  People are up in the air as to what is better.  If you get a Core 2 Duo system with an independent good video card and 1 or 2 gigs of ram....YOU ARE SET for awhile.

There is no need to spend $1700 when you can get EVERYTHING you need for $1k.  Save that $700 for when you want to upgrade sooner.  Buying something for $1700 means you will just have a $1000 laptop in 4 months....with SLIGHTLY better equipment in it.
The average price point for a GOOD laptop on sale is $1k tops.    
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« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2007, 01:22:09 AM »
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HOLD THE PHONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SORRY!  MY MISTAKE.  That laptop listed with dells IS NOT an independent video card memory board.  IT DOES SHARE the system memory.

They call it Hypermemory, and although it is a 'better' way to share system memory - IT STLL SHARES system memory.

It does have it's own video memory, which is great and it's something like 128 megs of ram...but it WILL take some from the system.  1 GIG will barely run games and Vista.  Kill vista and get xp or get a better video card and more ram on your laptop.

BAD CALL sorry.  I missed that originally.  I was still looking at the old naming structure.  Guess I have to pay attention more.

Be sure you research the video device they are putting in you laptop before you buy.  Look for a deal and you will find what you want for $1k.  A super gaming laptop will cost you more but if you just want to run current games including AH, then $1k WILL do you fine.

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« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2007, 01:56:59 AM »
i play on a dell e1505

1 gig ram

intel centrino duo core.

runs great.

(have been having a few ethernet port issues however but i have always had good luck in getting such things fixed and i have a tendancy to be hard on notebooks.)
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« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2007, 02:01:13 AM »
Gotta be easy on those ports,  Twisting and shoving aren't friendly to notebooks that have their solder points being smaller and the connectors also not being as thick to the mobo.  Always use a good flexible patch cable, not a home built from cable pulled through a building as this is much thicker and less resistent to flexing.  A nice flexy patch cable will protect from too much tugging and pulling.

Then there is always getting a pcmcia card with an adapter in case you ruin your onboard one, so as to not have to spend the money to have the mobo one fixed in the future when your warranty expires.

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« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2007, 03:28:37 AM »
I am a huge fan of the IBM (now lenovo) T series laptops.  You might be able to find one that has a discreet video solution for $1500 or less.

Whatever you do, don't get the fireGL ones though... They're basically the same cards as the consumer vid chips but since ATI has tagged them as business solutions, a lot of consumer software will assume they can't run even simple directx or opengl apps.  AH doesn't mind running on a fireGL vid card because HT isn't a retard like some software developers are (ATI media center and second life developers for 2 examples) but you're better off making sure you get the consumer version, not the fireGL version.
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« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2007, 09:43:02 AM »
Yea I used to be a big fan of thinkpads too but like I said...to me they are crap now.  Poorly designed for the 'long haul', but this is just one mans opinion.  Not that I wouldn't buy one if the price was right.  :aok

WOH FireGL, now that is something I haven't heard in a LONG while!  Is it a revamp of a card or is it what I am thinking it is lol??

Yea, he needs something UP TO DATE.  I was not impressed by windoze vista.  I'm seriously thinking of picking up a cheap mac that will run their new OS so I can play around with it and check it out.  I might be pushing those after this last Vista thing.  I'm very unhappy with the level of upgrades, not to mention when windoze switched to active directory on the server side, I wasn't happy either as they put SO little that was needed to run this new structure, that you end up having to put 10 , third party pieces of software in just to run your network infrastructure and server management properly.

Linux baby, linux :)  Yea, old story but it's getting better EVERY day.  Today's Linux isn't like 4 years ago even.  You can do ALOT with it, and I'm sure people are running AH with linux but I could be wrong.

The problem is, people have JUSt recently been 'trained' to run Windoze.  THEY MAY take a look at linux or mac after hearing their system is a POS without 2 gigs of ram and a next , next, next gen chipset to run Vista.

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« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2007, 09:58:33 AM »
Nobody's come out and said this directly, but you do want something with a dedicated video card like a Radeon X1300 or GeForce 7600 right, not just Intel 945 or 950 graphics accelerator on the main board, right?

Or will the Intel graphics stuff run AHII acceptably?

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« Reply #14 on: February 15, 2007, 10:13:23 AM »
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Can anyone recommend a good notebook that can run AH for $1500 or less?


http://www.pcclub.com/systems_notebooks.cfm

ENP681 NVIDIA 7600Go 256MB VGA / Core 2 Duo 7200 Processor $1399

So called 'vanilla books' for the plain wrap name and upgradable cpu / video.

I got an enp611 (P-M 1.6 / 128M 6600go MxM) from PC club about a year ago, runs AH, BF2, Typhoon Rising, Tac Ops AOT, Americas Army great.  I take it everywhere and its taken a good beating, zero problems. The only thing I didn't really like was the on board sound, but a Turtle Beach roadie took care of that.

I upgraded the P-M to a 2.2 and I'm looking for an MxM on the cheap to upgrade the 128M 6600go. These notebooks carry the PC Club brand, but they are manufactured by Quanta... who manufactures several major brand notebooks.