ace pilots

[Bronk]

Originally posted by RedTop
All due respect Hubs....

Obvious thing to me is....when 2 planes hit in mid air...at 200-500 MPH....niether are leaving that area in one piece or 1 leaving with no damage.

I have listened to the HT thing and loked at films.....Still dont get it.

If BOTH ends see something happend....Then Both should be damaged or dead.

If both ends do see something happen they both take damage.

Son of a b. Look at the damn films i posted. Collision taken from 2 different front ends.
Why should both take damage if 1 was nowhere near.


Bronk

[RedTop]

Originally posted by E25280
If both ends see something, they do both get damaged or dead.

But if only ONE sees something, only he gets damaged or dead.

What could be more fair?

Ok..let me ask for the final time...then Im not ever asking again....

If flying down towards you....I shoot and miss( my norm ) and you see a mesage in white letters RedTop has collided with you.....I see you have collided.....Am I missing the wing or are you?

or

I am the one being dropped on....and I see you...I take evasives and I see you have collided...and you see RedTop has collided with you it in white letters...my wing gone?

or...

vise versa on both accounts.

[Bronk]

You take damage.
On the other players screen he could be 100-200 away.
More than likely it looked like you dove past his 6.

Red please dl those 2 short films  and look at em external and slow.
25 to 50% speed it really is enlightening.

If you get both colors of text both take damage.
Bronk

[RedTop]

Ill do it when I get home...maybe put this to bed in my mind finnally.

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by hubsonfire
Exactly! And with collisions enabled, the guys who fly through your plane take damage, instead of just flying through it! Brilliant!

And as often as not the people NOT trying to fly through your plane take damage while the offender gets off with nothing.
Yet anothe reason to get rid of it

It works both ways

[Bronk]

If you get white text it is impossible to get damage from it.
Sheesh you take damage because he fired .


Bronk

[E25280]

Originally posted by RedTop
Ok..let me ask for the final time...then Im not ever asking again....

If flying down towards you....I shoot and miss( my norm ) and you see a mesage in white letters RedTop has collided with you.....I see you have collided.....Am I missing the wing or are you?

You are missing the wing.  You did not hit me with your guns.  Your PC detected a collision and told you so in orange.  My PC did not detect the collision.  I get the white PM saying "RedTop has collided with you."  I fly off scott free (and probably laughing).

But what often happens is RedTop's gunnery is dead on, shoots my tail off, then collides with my plane anyway.  Then what LTARget witnesses is "RedTop has collided with you" at the same time as my tail falls off.  This is what causes the confusion and angst for people who "know" they took damage from the other guy colliding.  It wasn't the collision that knocked my tail off, but rather your gunnery-that-couldn't-possibly-miss-from-five-inches-away-before-hitting-me.  My tail was going to fall off regardless of whether or not you collided with me afterwards.

Originally posted by RedTop
or

I am the one being dropped on....and I see you...I take evasives and I see you have collided...and you see RedTop has collided with you it in white letters...my wing gone?

Again, if you see in orange "you have collided", you have taken damage.  The plane you collided with may or may not have detected a collision.  If it did, you will receive at the same time "LTARget has collided with you."  If you do not get the white text "LTARget has collided with you", then the other plane did not collide in his alternate/slightly offset reality.

If you see both white and orange messages, then both planes took damage of some kind.  It may not be catastrophic damage (see my tailwheel example earler), but damage has been done.  It is entirely possible I could lose my tailwheel (appropriate based on my PC's detection of the tailwheel scraping your rudder) while you lose your wing (appropriate based on your PC's detection of your wing slicing into mine).  Again, the damage received is based entirely on what your PC determined has hit the object, and is completely independent of what the other guy's PC decides.

Hope this is clear for you now.

[Ghastly]

And as often as not the people NOT trying to fly through your plane take damage while the offender gets off with nothing.

Nope.  Entirely wrong. Nothing could be further from the truth. If he "gets off with nothing" then he missed you on his FE.  End of story.  

What your computer displays on your front end is yours and yours alone - your own private little universe that's anywhere from a few feet to hundreds of yards "different" than everyone else's.   When you collide, you and you alone are the "offender", because it happened in your own private universe. You didn't do enough to miss him.  End of story.

[hubsonfire]

So, would anyone rather die every single time they see the "Soandso has collided with you message" even when you avoided him on your FE, or would you rather have those guys flying through you guns blazing without sustaining any damage themselves? There are no other alternatives.

[-SR-]

Dead horse. Ram on.


-SR-:noid

[Serenity]

Originally posted by LTARghst
Is it me or is ther a major influx of people getting rammed more lately due to the fact of a large number of Noobs. Was defending a base yesterday and was rammed many times. These were guys never heard of so figured NOOBS. Was rammed by the same guy 3 times at one base. This Noob made it an effort to pull up into me everytime I broke off. Started spraying 2 out. Is it just me?

[Remembers being rammed in the rear by an LTAR flying an La-7 when taking off in a Bf-109G6 in Jg54 skin...] Yeah, ramming is all over. If its a head on ram, im cool with it. Its half my fault. If I had turned, there would be no collision. What really pisses me off is when I get rammed from behind. There is no way I can seem to avoid these collisions. No matter what maneuver i try, its like they are aiming for the ram, because they know they will win. Ive tried rolling, diving, climbing, everything. Ive even just sat still. And every time they clip me, sometimes their entire P-51 (I find the plane that rams me the most is the P-51D) rips me a new one. THAT just pisses me off. And yeah, it seems to be happening more often nowadays. And hubsonfire, I can count on one hand the number of times I have received a collision message (been rammed by someone else but not seen it on my 'FE') and survived. I would need scientific notation to fit the number of collisions that have killed me on one line of text.

[RedTop]

Originally posted by Bronk
You take damage.
On the other players screen he could be 100-200 away.
More than likely it looked like you dove past his 6.

Red please dl those 2 short films  and look at em external and slow.
25 to 50% speed it really is enlightening.

If you get both colors of text both take damage.
Bronk

Thanks ...helped

[RedTop]

Originally posted by E25280
You are missing the wing.  You did not hit me with your guns.  Your PC detected a collision and told you so in orange.  My PC did not detect the collision.  I get the white PM saying "RedTop has collided with you."  I fly off scott free (and probably laughing).

But what often happens is RedTop's gunnery is dead on, shoots my tail off, then collides with my plane anyway.  Then what LTARget witnesses is "RedTop has collided with you" at the same time as my tail falls off.  This is what causes the confusion and angst for people who "know" they took damage from the other guy colliding.  It wasn't the collision that knocked my tail off, but rather your gunnery-that-couldn't-possibly-miss-from-five-inches-away-before-hitting-me.  My tail was going to fall off regardless of whether or not you collided with me afterwards.

 Again, if you see in orange "you have collided", you have taken damage.  The plane you collided with may or may not have detected a collision.  If it did, you will receive at the same time "LTARget has collided with you."  If you do not get the white text "LTARget has collided with you", then the other plane did not collide in his alternate/slightly offset reality.

If you see both white and orange messages, then both planes took damage of some kind.  It may not be catastrophic damage (see my tailwheel example earler), but damage has been done.  It is entirely possible I could lose my tailwheel (appropriate based on my PC's detection of the tailwheel scraping your rudder) while you lose your wing (appropriate based on your PC's detection of your wing slicing into mine).  Again, the damage received is based entirely on what your PC determined has hit the object, and is completely independent of what the other guy's PC decides.

Hope this is clear for you now.

Helped alot...thanks

[crockett]

Originally posted by Bronk
If you see orange text its your own damn fault.
If you get the white text it was the other guys.

That is all.


Bronk

That's funny because I can't think of any times I've ever seen orange text about me colliding.. Yet seems 9 out of 10 times, I'm the one that's plane loses pieces.

[Lusche]

Originally posted by crockett
That's funny because I can't think of any times I've ever seen orange text about me colliding.. Yet seems 9 out of 10 times, I'm the one that's plane loses pieces.

If you don't get a collision message, you don't take damage from collision.
And for all the people now now crying "but I got damage!": Enemy aircraft have the nasty habit to use their guns when getting close....