Author Topic: Daytona ... wow (Read 1440 times)

Bronk · « **Reply #45 on:** February 19, 2007, 03:59:37 PM »

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Originally posted by whiteman

That flag wasn't going to stop that accident or reduce the size only affect the outcome depending on who passed the last scoring marker.

The flag doesn't stop accidents. What it does do is help prevent it from becoming much worst.

I already said who would have won is a moot point.
It's about consistency which you don't want to address.

Try playing a game with me enforcing the rules inconsistently.
Bet you'd get POed fairly quick.

Bronk

whiteman · « **Reply #46 on:** February 19, 2007, 04:16:36 PM »

Sometimes the right thing to do isn't in the book or rules, they did the right thing. Competitive racing like this is a different sport. Bending a rule in football, basbeball or basketball won't fly. But this is improved the outcome which they, NASCAR who runs the sport, felt it was for the better of the event. I agree with them.

Can't compare this to football, checkers or shoots and ladders. It was a split second judgement call. I hope they have a rule implace soon that will clearly state and allow the leaders to race to the line on the last lap.

Again that flag wasn't going to change the moment and size of the wreck. it comes out after the fact.

Bronk · « **Reply #47 on:** February 19, 2007, 04:26:33 PM »

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Originally posted by whiteman
Sometimes the right thing to do isn't in the book or rules, they did the right thing. Competitive racing like this is a different sport. Bending a rule in football, basbeball or basketball won't fly. But this is improved the outcome which they, NASCAR who runs the sport, felt it was for the better of the event. I agree with them.

So what rules are ok to bend/break and who determines this. Where can i find out witch ones are ok. I'm sure team waltrip would like a look at what ones he can bend/break .

Can't compare this to football, checkers or shoots and ladders. It was a split second judgement call. I hope they have a rule implace soon that will clearly state and allow the leaders to race to the line on the last lap.

Rules are there for a reason. No need for a split second decision. See a wreck throw the flag.

Again that flag wasn't going to change the moment and size of the wreck. it comes out after the fact.

Flags don't stop wrecks but as to the size and stopping others that happen racing to the stripe.
Tell that to the driver who's wreck caused the " no race to the stripe" rule.

Bronk

dmf · « **Reply #48 on:** February 19, 2007, 04:34:20 PM »

Either way Yellow flag or no yellow flag Martin got robbed, Jr got in a wreck and the race was still good.

RedTop · « **Reply #49 on:** February 19, 2007, 04:35:45 PM »

<---Wanted Martin to win since Jr. was wrecked already , and even then didn't have the car to win....with that said....

Rules are rules. You had 6 rules infractions this past week and crews and ownners lost points , people , and money. They were ENFORCED so to speak.

As soon as Boris Said started to spin , caution flew , field frozen. As soo as Kyle pettys tire shredded caution flies field frozen.

As soon as Elephant Eared Kirk Busch pulls the bonehead move of the race and took my 2nd driver out of the race , caution flew field frozen.

On and on and on. Johnson , caused one.

The rule is field frozen when the caution flies. They throw it all the time when something happens right WHEN it happens....not later and let cars keep crashin.

I don't know for sure that Martin would have won...but NASCAR lost in my mind. IF you have a rule , and your gonna all of the sudden enforce em all , then like Bronk said...they should be consistant.

They were'nt....Harvick could have won under caution just as easy.

Bronk · « **Reply #50 on:** February 19, 2007, 04:35:49 PM »

What if worst case scenario..
Martin raced him harder ,slid up put him in the wall and harvick was injured/killed.

Harvick fans would have wanted martin's head. The real blame would be on NASCAR for not enforcing their own damn rule.

But I bet you don't want to debate this point either.

Bronk

blkmgc · « **Reply #51 on:** February 19, 2007, 05:06:37 PM »

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Originally posted by Bronk
As soon as yellow is thrown spotters tell em and they lift.
That in it self provides just a bit more safety.

Bronk

Good grief, are you that thick? Do you think the cars behind the wreck werent lifting for the wreck irreguardless of the yellow flag? Here I'll make it big so you dont ignore it again..

Last lap, wreck in turn 4>behind the leaders<, leaders coming to the line.NASCAR has never thrown a yellow flag under these circumstances.

get it now? Both Martin and Harvick knew this.Martin fans are just pissed because he got beat.

whiteman · « **Reply #52 on:** February 19, 2007, 05:19:40 PM »

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Originally posted by Bronk
Flags don't stop wrecks but as to the size and stopping other that happen racing to the stripe.
Tell that to the driver who's wreck caused the " no race to the stripe" rule.

Bronk

That was a different incident, look at last nights it was in a pack of cars and all involved parties went going to avoid it by the aid of an yellow. Every wreck is different you can't blanket ever wreck as to following a set path. Those guys involved in the wreck were racing to the finish the guy who caused the rule was most likely in a wreck after a seperate wreck or from being smashed by cars 15 secs behind him as his car remained out of control or stoped.

Bronk · « **Reply #53 on:** February 19, 2007, 05:23:23 PM »

Like I said look at the worst case scenario.

Bronk

whiteman · « **Reply #54 on:** February 19, 2007, 05:26:29 PM »

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Originally posted by Bronk
What if worst case scenario..
Martin raced him harder ,slid up put him in the wall and harvick was injured/killed.

Harvick fans would have wanted martin's head. The real blame would be on NASCAR for not enforcing their own damn rule.

But I bet you don't want to debate this point either.

Bronk

He could have done that like many other guys have under green, how times has Stweart or any other guy out there put someone into the wall before trying to win, much less done it in the middle of a race for one position.

only way to stop that is to throw flags for guys racing close to each other. Should they put in a 1 car length rule and stop lights out there?

Bronk · « **Reply #55 on:** February 19, 2007, 05:32:10 PM »

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Originally posted by whiteman
He could have done that like many other guys have under green, how times has Stweart or any other guy out there put someone into the wall before trying to win, much less done it in the middle of a race for one position.

only way to stop that is to throw flags for guys racing close to each other. Should they put in a 1 car length rule and stop lights out there?

One would have been nascar's negligence the the other accidental.
I'm glad you like bending the rules, especially when you get the W for it.
Says a lot about character.

I'm sure MW would like to get away with bending a few.

Bronk

whiteman · « **Reply #56 on:** February 19, 2007, 05:54:05 PM »

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Originally posted by Bronk
One would have been nascar's negligence the the other accidental.
I'm glad you like bending the rules, especially when you get the W for it.
Says a lot about character.

I'm sure MW would like to get away with bending a few.

Bronk

Were talking about a sport and you bring in personal character because the sanctioning body made a call i agree with. LOL, OK.

I have no rooting intrest in either, no money on it just a fan of the sport. Outcome didn't have any effect on my life. I pull for all the Chevy guys and root for the Fords to break down, but it's not the end of the world or even a sec of fustration if a chevy guy doesn't win. Watch and participate in enough sports and you'll know bad calls go for and aginst you all the time, S#!t happens.

As for Waltrip cheating, oh well he got caught. Every team in NASCAR is pushing their car to the edge, some push it over some out right cheat. Saying is "If you not cheating your not trying" and it's only cheating till you get caught. It's part of the sport and doesn't bother me unless it's something stupid as a fuel additive, atleast be creative.

rpm · « **Reply #57 on:** February 19, 2007, 06:03:28 PM »

According to the poll on NASCAR.com they should have thrown the flag.

Yes - 54%

No - 46%

john9001 · « **Reply #58 on:** February 19, 2007, 06:11:17 PM »

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Originally posted by whiteman
I. I pull for all the Chevy guys and root for the Fords to break down,

you do know those are not real chevy's and ford's.

nascar drivers don't lift even if there is a yellow, if you lift you get hit from behind then you ARE the wreck, they just keep the gas on and hope there is no car in front of them when they go through the smoke.

the fans love it, the sponsors love the fans, the sponsors pay the big money.

nascar has a agreement with the sponsors to give each race car (rolling billboard) a minimum amount of air time during the race.

Cougar68 · « **Reply #59 on:** February 19, 2007, 08:54:13 PM »

NASCAR has consistently held off throwing the yellow on the last lap. That's the way it should be.