Wolfmother

[Mustaine]

Originally posted by Dace
Also, let me say this, I said Page had lots of influences before he formed Zep, and I think there were many greats before them. But he took all those little things and turned it into something else. To me, Led Zeppelin is "perfect" Rock and Roll. They are still evident in anything you hear today. So to say they are Led Zeppelin ripoffs is unfair. I think everyne that came after them has ripped them off in some way or another. I honestly think music CANNOT get "better" than the mighty Zep.

[storch]

I had never heard of this band since I mostly listen to XM radio ch 40,46,49.  I had pretty much given up on what people call "rock".  I'm impressed with this band and their influence is clearly from the rock that I love.  welcome wolfmother, may you succeed and inspire others,  hold the torch aloft maybe more will return to the fold.  thanks for heading away from the hip-hop influenced crap some people consider good.

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by Dace
Wow...usually you and I agree on music, but I gotta say I see no relation with Zeppelin and the Who. I love both, but they are not very similar IMO. If Page took anything from anyone's book, I'd say it was Cream. I'd say Page had LOTS of influences before he formed Zeppelin, The Who would be on the list maybe, but way far down that list.

Also, let me say this, I said Page had lots of influences before he formed Zep, and I think there were many greats before them. But he took all those little things and turned it into something else. To me, Led Zeppelin is "perfect" Rock and Roll. They are still evident in anything you hear today. So to say they are Led Zeppelin ripoffs is unfair. I think everyne that came after them has ripped them off in some way or another. I honestly think music CANNOT get "better" than the mighty Zep.

I used to say the same thing and I like both bands.   But listen to the soundtrack to The Song Remains the Same, and listen to Live at Leeds.    You could listen to either, and they both sound alike.  I was blown away at the blatantly similarity.    

I wasn't trashing Zeppelin, just merely pointing out that if "we now judge bands on who they ripped off", give credit where credit is somewhat due.   Without influences, music would be sterile, and sound like complete and utter chit.    The Beatles showed The Who the edge, Led Zeppelin merely took it to the next level.    

When the band "Badfinger" is mentioned, not 10 seconds goes by before you hear "they were Beatles ripoffs".    But, listen to No Dice or Straight up and you will see they had the same influence in the use of harmonies, but that is where the similarities end.

Originally posted by Dace I honestly think music CANNOT get "better" than the mighty Zep.

  Pink Floyd

[Dace]

Originally posted by Masherbrum
Pink Floyd

Touche, my friend. Pink is much much different and in my mind is musical genius.  But, better?.....nah. On the same level? fosho!

[dmf]

Originally posted by Tarmac
Kind of a White Stripes + Zeppelin mix

hmmm.............I might have to listen to it.

[DiabloTX]

Originally posted by storch
I had never heard of this band since I mostly listen to XM radio ch 40,46,49.  I had pretty much given up on what people call "rock".  I'm impressed with this band and their influence is clearly from the rock that I love.  welcome wolfmother, may you succeed and inspire others,  hold the torch aloft maybe more will return to the fold.  thanks for heading away from the hip-hop influenced crap some people consider good.

Ahhhh, someone gets it.

What I hear in Wolfmother is Deep Purple/Black Sabbath when both were at their prime.  I do miss hearing a Hammond B3 in music.

[Mustaine]

I used to like karaya, or at least in the sense I didn't dis-like his thoughts, and so on....


until pink floyd comes up.


dude you hold them on some kind of pedestal that is just irrational to me.


my entire life listening to music, and playing music, and I think generally being open to alot of things, have never once understood a pink floyd fan.

the only fans I have ever known were pot smoking hippie "wannabes" and went all "ohh and ahh" to psuedo psychedelic sounds and arrangements.

other than their influence on the drug culture from 1967 and after, I don't think I will ever see what they have done musically.

yes they made "trippy" music, that meandered around a soundscape, but nothing that ever amazed me in arrangement, or tonality.

everyone has different tastes in what they like to hear, and even scientifically it is shown some people prefer certain sounds and notes. maybe that's just it, but I seriously can't name one pink song I can enjoy listening to, except "run like hell" every once in a blue moon.

all it ever reminds me of is hippy wannabes from my teenage years going ooh and ahh while stoned, and me not wanting to do drugs, and just generally not liking music with random changes in feel, tempo, sound, and rhythm.

"progressive" jazz and all other forms similar I have and never will enjoy or appreciate. even at 1 year of guitar lessons, I could make music like it, basically it all sounds like a bunch of guys doing whatever they feel like with no relation to the rest of the band (that is a generalization of jazz-fusion and similar styles) even after learning some music theory, and looking at the arrangements of said styles and examples, I can find no reason why note "x" is played at a certain time other than it is the most dissonant sounding note possible.

that goes along with the synth and guitar sounds. If making funky and odd sounding notes is talent, give you're local music shop a stop, and buy random effects, then have a random 15 year old emo kid plug in, and have him wail while turning the knobs in random order.

fi that is talent, and considered groundbreaking, I guess I am missing something. anyone can do those type of sounds and mix them together.

if there is some hidden meaning or something, I have never listened to floyd high, and never will.

sorry for the rant, but honestly in this world I have never personally met anyone who loves floyd that wasn't a total stoner in HS, and now they listen to it to remember the "good old days"

[DiabloTX]

I'm a huge PF fan.

Never smoked a puff of weed in High School.

Saw The Wall in the theater during midnight movies about 10 times.  All while being totally sober.

Great, great band.  

Dave Gilmour is in my top 5 of guitarists.

[vorticon]

"
"progressive" jazz and all other forms similar I have and never will enjoy or appreciate. "


"pushing the boundries" is a good way of hiding a complete lack of talent.


floyd...apparently i've listened to an entire album more than once. the problem is, i never realized anything was playing...slightly better than ACDC - all they do is hurt my ears.

[Dace]

Originally posted by Mustaine
I used to like karaya, or at least in the sense I didn't dis-like his thoughts, and so on....


until pink floyd comes up.


dude you hold them on some kind of pedestal that is just irrational to me.


my entire life listening to music, and playing music, and I think generally being open to alot of things, have never once understood a pink floyd fan.

the only fans I have ever known were pot smoking hippie "wannabes" and went all "ohh and ahh" to psuedo psychedelic sounds and arrangements.

other than their influence on the drug culture from 1967 and after, I don't think I will ever see what they have done musically.

yes they made "trippy" music, that meandered around a soundscape, but nothing that ever amazed me in arrangement, or tonality.

everyone has different tastes in what they like to hear, and even scientifically it is shown some people prefer certain sounds and notes. maybe that's just it, but I seriously can't name one pink song I can enjoy listening to, except "run like hell" every once in a blue moon.

all it ever reminds me of is hippy wannabes from my teenage years going ooh and ahh while stoned, and me not wanting to do drugs, and just generally not liking music with random changes in feel, tempo, sound, and rhythm.

"progressive" jazz and all other forms similar I have and never will enjoy or appreciate. even at 1 year of guitar lessons, I could make music like it, basically it all sounds like a bunch of guys doing whatever they feel like with no relation to the rest of the band (that is a generalization of jazz-fusion and similar styles) even after learning some music theory, and looking at the arrangements of said styles and examples, I can find no reason why note "x" is played at a certain time other than it is the most dissonant sounding note possible.

that goes along with the synth and guitar sounds. If making funky and odd sounding notes is talent, give you're local music shop a stop, and buy random effects, then have a random 15 year old emo kid plug in, and have him wail while turning the knobs in random order.

fi that is talent, and considered groundbreaking, I guess I am missing something. anyone can do those type of sounds and mix them together.

if there is some hidden meaning or something, I have never listened to floyd high, and never will.

sorry for the rant, but honestly in this world I have never personally met anyone who loves floyd that wasn't a total stoner in HS, and now they listen to it to remember the "good old days"

Listen to the album "Animals"...I think you would change your POV. If you have already pay no attention, but your attitude toward Floyd seems like a "surface perception". The stuff you hear on the radio is just that "surface".

[AWMac]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
Disagree.  I cringe any time anything they've done comes on the radio.  Thank god I hardly ever listen to the radio anymore.

AssssHat

Mac

[JB88]

not bad tx.  not bad at'all.

[storch]

just listened to the CD again.  I think I'll email XM and find out why these guys aren't on the rotation.  I'm going to order their CD as well.  good stuff thanks for posting this diablo they are getting airplay on XM47 & 54 amongst other channels.  I guess I'll be tuning in to 47 one day per week.

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by DiabloTX
I'm a huge PF fan.

Never smoked a puff of weed in High School.

Saw The Wall in the theater during midnight movies about 10 times.  All while being totally sober.

Great, great band.  

Dave Gilmour is in my top 5 of guitarists.

Ditto, it is the ones who "assume" they are drug oriented that haven't a clue about Pink Floyd.  I'll never understand the "branding" of it.   If you don't like Pink Floyd, you'll say that sort of stuff.  

FWIW 73, I'm 33 and have ALWAYS enjoyed listening to Classic Rock as far back as I can remember.   I recall being 5 years old and having my brother put on Quadrophenia, Diamond Dogs, Sticky Fingers, etc. at my request.   I'm sorry but the majority of today's music sucks arse.   I'll check out Wolfmother, because Diablo and I have similar tastes in music.   I liked the White Stripes before they sold out and became a household name (Jack lived 15 minutes from me).  

Originally posted by JB73that goes along with the synth and guitar sounds. If making funky and odd sounding notes is talent, give you're local music shop a stop, and buy random effects, then have a random 15 year old emo kid plug in, and have him wail while turning the knobs in random order.

fi that is talent, and considered groundbreaking, I guess I am missing something. anyone can do those type of sounds and mix them together.

if there is some hidden meaning or something, I have never listened to floyd high, and never will.

No 15 year old kid can replicate Gilmour easily.   Sure you can buy a strat, and and amp.   You can try and find 1/2 of his rig (most of his rig is hard to find).   But what separates him further is his Bass PreAmp, and HiWatt amps.   Most "15 year olds" cannot afford a $2,500 HiWatt, or the $1,000 Preamp.    David Gilmour's use of toggling between "finger vibrato and then using the tremolo" is unique.    Even he doesn't understand where he got that from.  

Eric Clapton when playing with Roger Waters on the Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking Tour was getting pissed off during rehearsals.    During Another Brick in the Wall Part 2, Eric Clapton (some say he is "God") got angry during the last solo of the song.   He slammed his amp off, and stomped "How in the f**k does he do it?!!!!"   Roger said "What?"  "How in the F**K can he bend that note a full Octave?!"   "I've broken 3 strings trying to do it."   He played the solo his own way from that point on.    FWIW, I can only think 3 guitarists that can bend a "full octave" and not break a string, and two of them are dead.  

Which brings me to my last point.   Not a single 15 year old can "bend" notes like he can.   Gilmour plays with a ton of emotion but makes it look so easy.   He's never been flashy but is a damn good role model to follow for a rock star.   After Live 8, Pink Floyd's Echoes sales skyrocketed almost 1400%, and he donated his royalties to the Live 8 fund, after he did, everyone else did.

Grab Meddle and Wish You Were Here from Pink Floyd.   Echoes is worth the price of Meddle alone.

Finally, Dave Mustaine himself said of Gilmour: "David Gilmour can do more with one note than most guitarists can do with the entire fretboard."

[Xargos]

You can't really judge a band until you hear their B sides.