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Offline SirLoin

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« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2007, 02:17:52 AM »
Gore just blew through Toronto with his tour..He arrived at the conference in a stretched limo...lol
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« Reply #16 on: February 27, 2007, 02:21:50 AM »
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Those numbers are not fair for the people who live in the colder regions.  I do not need heating as badly as the people up north and I have sweated it out many times in the summer when I did not have enough money to pay for A/C.


You think that those in colder regions could not wear a coat?
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« Reply #17 on: February 27, 2007, 02:28:54 AM »
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Those numbers are not fair for the people who live in the colder regions.  I do not need heating as badly as the people up north and I have sweated it out many times in the summer when I did not have enough money to pay for A/C.


you're right so let look at another statistic :
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/ene_usa_per_per-energy-usage-per-person
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« Reply #18 on: February 27, 2007, 02:41:17 AM »
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« Reply #19 on: February 27, 2007, 02:59:52 AM »
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You think that those in colder regions could not wear a coat?



If I did have kids I would very very scared to let them get too cold.  I hate the cold, that's why I live in the South.

P.S.  Those number are weird.  There are so many variables like, how old your heating system is, How old your house is, if your old and get sick easy and use more heat or get sick when it's too hot so your A/C is set low.
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« Reply #20 on: February 27, 2007, 03:06:59 AM »
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You think that those in colder regions could not wear a coat?
nice to show per capita per usage, USA is doing great, but to talk about "wearing a coat" I am in WI, and we are a cold north region, my best friend has 4 children and a small house, they keep the temp @ 68 all winter, and 74 in the summer sometimes higher, as to not pay the electric bill....


me in my APT, heat is "imcluded" so whatever I do I don't have a choice, but I pay around $10 a month electric bills in the winter, around $40-60 in the summer when I have to run the AC,



great info for the "Al Gore" stats, where do I fit in?
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« Reply #21 on: February 27, 2007, 04:10:55 AM »
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A yes... but per capita, the USA uses 12,500 KWhr,  France uses 7,118, but Canada uses 15,738, and Iceland uses 28,789!

So who's the real culprit here....

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If we all could emulate Burkina Faso, with only 25.125, KWhr, think how much better the world would be....


Iceland produces its energy through vulcanic activity inherent there so they can enviromentally speaking spend as much as they like. And they like, Iceland being on arctic levels so a major part of electricity will go to heating.

France = warm country, no need for much heating.

My household spends around 37 000kwh yearly because our house is electrically heated and the temperature dips to -35c during winters.
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« Reply #22 on: February 27, 2007, 04:52:29 AM »
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... Iceland being on arctic levels so a major part of electricity will go to heating...


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Icelandic homes are relatively inexpensive to heat, thanks to abundant resources of hot water under the earth. >.....<  Geothermal heating of houses began around 1930, and today all of Reykjavik is heated by the Reykjavík Energy district heating system. Throughout Iceland, about 90% of the population now enjoy geothermal heating (not all parts of the country have utilisable hot water resources).


Iceland produced about 7000 GWh of electricity in 2005, appx 500 GWh of which were geothermal.  6500 GWh were hydropower.
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« Reply #23 on: February 27, 2007, 05:16:31 AM »
What also needs to be taken into account is how much gas some of these countries use. In many countries, due to mountainous terrain or being in a remote area, it isn't feasible for gas lines to be laid and so they rely more heavily on electric power - and bottled gas in some cases.
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« Reply #24 on: February 27, 2007, 05:21:12 AM »
at least Jimmy Carter put on a sweater;)
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« Reply #25 on: February 27, 2007, 05:33:20 AM »
and yet anyone to quote me or try and "prove" a single "statistic" of their fuzzy math ;) ;)


I'd really like to see the ub-baised and real survey of China's 1 BILLION + they have above the USA's population, in any real study, with actual responses in it.
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« Reply #26 on: February 27, 2007, 05:58:24 AM »
" Mustaine",
 
I don't know why "you" need to see "proof" of any "statistic" even though  "China" has one "BILLION" so don't look for any "actual" "responses"  ";)" ";)"
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« Reply #27 on: February 27, 2007, 06:03:02 AM »
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Iceland produced about 7000 GWh of electricity in 2005, appx 500 GWh of which were geothermal.  6500 GWh were hydropower.


I stand corrected, anyway their electricity is being produced enviromentally friendly.
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« Reply #28 on: February 27, 2007, 06:28:55 AM »
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hahaha, lets all point fingers at Gore.  Really guys, I have no love lost for Gore, could care one way or the other.  I may also not agree with his "documentary" but think about it just abit and stop letting them spoon feed ya.

You dont take something thats out of the norm and try to compare it to an average

I have a about 2000 sq ft house,  4 bedrooms, 3 full baths, all electric house, no gas.  my electric bill runs about 1400 to 1700 kwh a month depending on the weather and how sucessful I am at chasing the kids around the house and shutting stuff off.  4 tvs, 5 pcs assorted electronics.
so in a year I probably average about 18,000 kwh.   now their report only says a 20 room house, usually when they describe a house they say number of bedrooms, so I'll go with that.  If we use my numbers thats 375 kwh a month per bedroom.   Using that a 20 bedroom house would average 7,500 kwh.  But this is Al Gore so that house probably has alot of extra security stuff than most of us have.  Plus you gotta figure secret service guys.

Also where do they get the figure The average household in America consumes 10,656 kilowatt-hours (kWh) per year, according to the Department of Energy.  What year?  What do they consider an average household?  

http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/recs/recs2001/enduse2001/enduse2001.html

that report is from 2001.  Could he use less electricity?  probably.
good job AS.  I was going to post something along the same lines.
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« Reply #29 on: February 27, 2007, 06:31:21 AM »
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I stand corrected, anyway their electricity is being produced enviromentally friendly.


I shall have to tell the fishing interests here in the USA's Pacific Northwest that hydropower is environmentally friendly.
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