Inconvenient Truth Indeed

[Airscrew]

but even if I'm only expected to use this gubernet calculator to just get a "general idea" then it's still wacked.   I dont need a calculator, I get my electric bill every month, it tells me how much I use and how much I gotta pay.  I dont want to keep paying a lot so I smack the kids around to save energy....

I just think this calculator is miscalculating by ignoring a second car and telling you that children under the driving age have no impact, HA.  If I had no kids there would be no need for 5 pcs, 4 tvs.  Fewer trips in the car, less hot water used.   So save the climiate, stop having kids....

[SFRT - Frenchy]

Flatbar/Airscreew ...

You are missing the point, true or not, the intent was to raise your awarness. Mission accomplished as some of you digged up their eletrical bills to compare.

[Airscrew]

thanks Frenchy,  no slam intended but for me I have always been aware, I see my electric bill every month, and see how much I pay for gas just to go to work.   I guess I'm just messed up somehow, but if someone is going to go through all the trouble of creating a "calculator"  then it should be based on something closer to reality.   Once they start screwing around with the numbers to make something fit their "views"  it becomes worthless.

remember "give a hoot, dont pollute"

[straffo]

Originally posted by lazs2
straffo.. if we didn't wash our clothes or bathe we would use a lot less electricity too.

Last year my family used 3542kw (in  153mē house)

We have washer ,dryer ,oven etc ...


Where able to buy the dryer last year after saving during the last 55 year (fortunately we were able to have to 40 year credit from the bank).

WTF do you think ? I'm living in a third world country ?

[Eagler]

the guy's a twit

the sky-is-falling global warming folks should pay him NOT to be their spokesperson if they want to be taken seriously by anyone who doesn't have a bong in their face or like same sex partners ...

[Yeager]

Eagler be bustin down those walls that divide us

[lazs2]

I think the real point here is that algore is using more energy than he did last year.

straffo... I can't recall a time when I didn't have a washer and a dryer.  The smallest home I have owned was 1100 square feet.

How I use energy is based on what I can afford not on someones bogus "man made global warming" theory.

lazs

[Mightytboy]

Originally posted by Flatbar
Those calling Gore a hypocrite should read up on what he's personaly doing to reduce his carbon footprint. Better yet, calculate yours and see what you can do to reduce yours.

http://www.carbonfootprint.com/calculator.html

Mine is 2.3 tons, can't afford offsets but we're looking for green energy options and some solar. The average US home with 2 people is responsible for 7.8 tons.

Al's home is powered by green energy wherever possible. The house uses electricity from renewable sources and solar pannels. Every time he flys or drives the carbon emissions are calculated and he buys energy offset credits to make up for any excessive emissions.

Buying offset credits, for those with the means to, is a way of reducing your footprint by funding green energy production.

So, go ahead and bash Gore all you want, just make sure you're using facts instead of hyperbole.

I don't need a calculator to figure mine out.

Mine is just right for my lifestyle. No need for changes.

Oh and I heard Al talking the other day and he mentioned he was going to put Global Warming in a lock box........

[straffo]

I was joking Lazs I don't remember either not having a washer dishwasher etc ..

Yet , I'm still surprised my 1650sq feet use so less electricity than airscrew house.

[Airscrew]

Straffo, do you have an 18 year old daughter that comes home in the winter time and cranks the termostat up to 80 degrees cause she thinks it will warm up the house faster?  Or a wife that has the hot water heater set as high as it will go?  every light on from the front door to the laundry room on?  do you come home and find 3 tvs on and nobody watching them?
Then the kids wonder why I go beserk when the electric bill comes.

it doesnt help its a double wide mobile home (or as my wife calls it "a manufactured house)
I think I'm going to get a heat pump next year, the electrian said it should cut my electric usage in half

[straffo]

Well I plan to kill my daughter just before she got her 1st lover

A heat pump is a good investment ,I'll probably have one in my next house

[Shuckins]

Welp, Flatbar, just imagine how much energy Gore could save and the reduction in his carbon footprint if he lived in an average sized home instead of a 20 room mansion.

The same could be said for Barbara Streisand's 10,000 square foot, air-conditioned garage which she uses to store and preserve her antiques and collectibles.  Oh....and her gargantuan mansion which makes the White House look like a summer cottage, and who buys full-sized SUVs.

And take John Travolta...please.   He whose posh digs include a private airstrip and a modified Boeing 707 which he flies from coast to coast when the wanderlust hits him.

What do they all have in common?  All three have served or are at present serving on the boards of institutions working to promote energy conservation and prevent global warming.  All are constantly urging their social underlings to change their lifestyles, think green, and drive smaller vehicles.  

The sheer magnitude of their HYPOCRISY is staggering.  

[GtoRA2]

I saw this blurb on another site.

CommonDreams.org wrote:

The 4,000-square-foot house is a model of environmental rectitude


Geothermal heat pumps located in a central closet circulate water through pipes buried 300 feet deep in the ground where the temperature is a constant 67 degrees; the water heats the house in the winter and cools it in the summer. Systems such as the one in this "eco-friendly" dwelling use about 25% of the electricity that traditional heating and cooling systems utilize.

A 25,000-gallon underground cistern collects rainwater gathered from roof runs; wastewater from sinks, toilets and showers goes into underground purifying tanks and is also funneled into the cistern. The water from the cistern is used to irrigate the landscaping surrounding the four-bedroom home. Plants and flowers native to the high prairie area blend the structure into the surrounding ecosystem.

No, this is not the home of some eccentrically wealthy eco-freak trying to shame his fellow citizens into following the pristineness of his self-righteous example. And no, it is not the wilderness retreat of the Sierra Club or the Natural Resources Defense Council, a haven where tree-huggers plot political strategy.

This is President George W. Bush's "Texas White House" outside the small town of Crawford.

Don't know if it is true but the its pretty funny if it is.

[Maverick]

Hehehe, I see all of the calculations here for some folks energy usage and it's nuts how much it takes.

I live in a 4009 sq ft "house". The power feed for the entire thing uses the same input as a single electric dryer or electric stove. That's a 220 volt feed actually used not as 220 volts but as two 120 volt feeds split in the "house".

I also have a heat pump and it does save propane. I have used 10 gallons of propane since last November. We did get down to 20 degrees here and had snow. The heat pump is nice but it loses efficiency once the temp goes down to 40 degrees. At 32 degrees it can't pull heat from outside and shuts down reverting to the propane furnace.

Since the heat pump is nothing but an air conditioner that has had the coolant flow reversed it will use the same power as you use in the summertime. It's efficiency loss in low temperatures means it will run longer and add less heat per hour of operation the colder it gets. Like I said it will save gas or propane but it does not put out as much heat as a regular furnace once it's cold outside.

[Krusher]

Originally posted by festus
Gore seems to have an energy appetite for destruction of the human race

http://drudgereport.com/flash.htm

Bush the evil tree hugger

Is it possible that George Bush is a secret Green? Evidently his Crawford Winter White House has 25,000 gallons of rainwater storage, gray water collection from sinks and showers for irrigation, passive solar, geothermal heating and cooling. "By marketplace standards, the house is startlingly small," says David Heymann, the architect of the 4,000-square-foot home. "Clients of similar ilk are building 16-to-20,000-square-foot houses." Furthermore for thermal mass the walls are clad in "discards of a local stone called Leuders limestone, which is quarried in the area. The 12-to-18-inch-thick stone has a mix of colors on the top and bottom, with a cream- colored center that most people want. "They cut the top and bottom of it off because nobody really wants it," Heymann says. "So we bought all this throwaway stone. It's fabulous. It's got great color and it is relatively inexpensive."