Author Topic: Ki-61 = Japanese spit 5? (Read 2071 times)

Masherbrum · « **Reply #45 on:** March 03, 2007, 05:52:51 PM »

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Originally posted by Widewing
No need for a trial.... The Ki-61 cannot out-turn a Spitfire Mk.V, not even close.

One pilot may out-turn another, but given equal pilots, the Ki-61 is toast.

My regards,

Widewing

I have NO problem turning with Spit 5's. If I can make a Ki-61 TURN WITH a Spit 5, than maybe I'm good?

Will I be able to turn with a Spit 1 or Hurricane 1? Doubt it, then again, I rarely see someone flying either Mk.1. Maybe 20 of us total will fly em, and I am now flying in the LWA's.

Widewing · « **Reply #46 on:** March 03, 2007, 06:22:54 PM »

My regards,

Widewing

Masherbrum · « **Reply #47 on:** March 03, 2007, 08:05:05 PM »

Here is what Karaya has been saying all along:

"He has no problems turning WITH Spit 5's in the Arenas. What this translates to is the following: "He knows the Ki61's abilities better than the Spit 5 stick. "

I will turnfight this "so called POS" on the deck and win. I do it consistently, and effectively. I do not use flaps, instead I find it is better to manipulate throttle.

No numbers needed because frankly numbers (specifications) don't help you in the MA environment. Again, since most of the folks that play this game think I'm "full of it". Look at my stats from last month and this month. My hit % also squashes the "bullet dropping theory".

Lastly, The Ki61 is right behind the Spit and Hurry 1's as the most underrated plane in the set. That is fact.

TheBug · « **Reply #48 on:** March 03, 2007, 08:43:29 PM »

Hehe, I always get a good chuckle from the "look at me" folks that try and pass themselves off as crusaders of good.

Viking · « **Reply #49 on:** March 03, 2007, 10:37:44 PM »

Bah! Ack-Ack is an altmonkeying cheater; always has been. Ask anybody.

Masherbrum · « **Reply #50 on:** March 03, 2007, 11:33:34 PM »

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Originally posted by TheBug
Hehe, I always get a good chuckle from the "look at me" folks that try and pass themselves off as crusaders of good.

It's those "that chuckle at folks who kiss other's arses in the game who flaunt greatness too" that I laugh at. Only good stick I've never shot down is Vati66. I've shot the rest down at one time or another. Some many times. I don't come in here and gloat. But I'll be damned if someone is gonna trash a ride they rarely fly. Looking at MOSQ's numbers is a 1/32nd of the big picture.

Oldman731 · « **Reply #51 on:** March 03, 2007, 11:48:12 PM »

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Originally posted by Masherbrum
It's those "that chuckle at folks who kiss other's arses in the game who flaunt greatness too" that I laugh at. Only good stick I've never shot down is Vati66. I've shot the rest down at one time or another. Some many times. I don't come in here and gloat. But I'll be damned if someone is gonna trash a ride they rarely fly. Looking at MOSQ's numbers is a 1/32nd of the big picture.

Don't think anyone is trashing the Tony by observing that it can't outturn a Spit5, given equal pilots. It can't. The Spit 16 can't outturn an A6M2. Doesn't mean it isn't a fine plane, even the better plane.

- oldman (although I have to say that, given the choice - and an excuse to save my pride - I'd rather be in the Spit5 than the Tony.)

TheBug · « **Reply #52 on:** March 03, 2007, 11:53:25 PM »

Not for one second disputing your claims about the ki-61, nor your ability to play a game well. But you are worthy of another chuckle.

Masherbrum · « **Reply #53 on:** March 04, 2007, 12:23:50 AM »

If I can "turn with a Spit 5", than it "can turn with a Spit 5", right?

Bug, I'm glad you consume chuckling with me. Because I rarely see you in the Arenas.

I chuckle at the shades accounts running amok in the BBS and Game these days. Changing names more than your underwear is a reflection of insecurity, not humor.

Oldman, one thing that has always gotten a laugh out of me in this game, and I have now figured out after 5 years of playing AH. "The only opinions that matter are of those who are in the Top 100 Cartoon pilots, or 10 year vets of flight sims." They "preach the Flight Sim gospel, while other's have no say, even though they have pretty disspelled the theories." Again, the turning radius of a plane "being tested under vacuum like conditions, WILL BE different in a dogfight, in a furball. It is FACT not opinion. "That con only 4k off of your 1 on 1 will make you immediately re-think things. You will NOT always turn ANY plane to those numbers. Which is my initial point. The numbers are merely a "Starting point".

I've NEVER not once, claimed to be good. But I will humble those who DO by shooting them down.

I'm done with this, I'll keep shooting folks down in the LWA, in a Ki-61. It's too easy.

Widewing · « **Reply #54 on:** March 04, 2007, 12:25:01 AM »

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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Here is what Karaya has been saying all along:

"He has no problems turning WITH Spit 5's in the Arenas. What this translates to is the following: "He knows the Ki61's abilities better than the Spit 5 stick. "

I will turnfight this "so called POS" on the deck and win. I do it consistently, and effectively. I do not use flaps, instead I find it is better to manipulate throttle.

No numbers needed because frankly numbers (specifications) don't help you in the MA environment. Again, since most of the folks that play this game think I'm "full of it". Look at my stats from last month and this month. My hit % also squashes the "bullet dropping theory".

Lastly, The Ki61 is right behind the Spit and Hurry 1's as the most underrated plane in the set. That is fact.

We need to emphasize that no pilot can make a plane do what it cannot do. Each aircraft has limits that can be defined by exploration. These limits are sometimes somewhat arbitrary, but they are hard limits and pushing beyond always results in a loss of control or worse.

WIth regard to the Ki-61, I fly it every night that I'm "on duty" in the TA. It is an excellent foil for vets who want to polish their skills. It's a very capable fighter within its envelope. Good enough to give Spitfires a very rough go of it. Flying the Ki-61 is all about E management. Acceleration is lethargic at best. Steady state climb is less than average. Speed is also well below average. However, it holds and hides E better than most. It dives without drama and has a decent rate of roll at medium speeds. It zoom climbs very well. Its cannons are extremely lethal and concentrated above the engine.

Like the P-40, the Ki-61 is a fighter that benefits greatly from having some altitude. It's worth the extra time to drag it up to 10k or higher.

Last weekend, I took a Ki-61 up to 18k to intercept a horde. I found myself above 11 P-51Ds loaded with bombs and rockets. I rolled in and attacked from their high 6. Thirty seconds later, 3 were dead, and 3 more were hurt. A 4th died a minute later when he tried to get some payback. It's a deadly fighter, no question.

I use it to duel just about everything. Careful use of flaps is essential and the vertical rolling scissors is one area where it excels, as it bleeds little E.

I do avoid prolonged turning sessions with better turn fighters. But, more often than not, the other guy is not able to get anywhere near max performance from is plane, which means that a Ki-61 flown to the edge will beat them most of the time. Avoid the sucker traps and make the other guys fight to your strengths and you'll win 99% of the time. However, a large percentage of the MA crowd have no idea what the Ki-61 can do, so they don't know how to fight it.

My regards,

Widewing

1K3 · « **Reply #55 on:** March 04, 2007, 12:26:22 AM »

To settle this once and for all I will host a(n)...

SHOWDOWN!: Spit V vs Ki 61

Obviously the space is limited to 8 players (H2H). Come in if you want to debunk or strengthen the fact that Ki 61 is as good as Spit V. I will throw in the Seafire to make it fair:aok

Settings: Hardcore!

- NO external views
- NO Stall limiters and it's disabled.
- 2.0 fuel burn
- 1.0 ammo

Give it your best shot!:aok

Masherbrum · « **Reply #56 on:** March 04, 2007, 12:39:53 AM »

Sorry 1K3, I'll keep my opinions to myself from now on. Obviously, only some people in here are allowed to debunk things. I think it is juvenile, myself. Maybe one day I'll be "deemed wise man and teller of all things AH". But for now, I'll just be the chump who doesn't know what he means, "even though I fly the Tony about 75% in the LWA." Nah, I'm full of chit, I'm just another "5 year newbie" who doesn't realize that those who keep posting in here, keep reinforcing my statements.

I never claimed the Ki61 to "be the fastest plane", it isn't the greatest climber, it's gun package is exceptional. It handles E better than 90% of the craft in the game. It should be flown like a 109F4. It will "hang with a Spit 5" (NOT a Spit 1) in a turn. I do it, and I do that often. Yes, draining the wing tanks even to 1/4 each, will make a HUGE difference in the handling characteristics.

But, I'm full of chit. I have now learned something in the 5 years of playing. It only took 5 years for the truth to come to the surface. But I got it now, loud and clear. My God, what some say to other's "just to be right".

hubsonfire · « **Reply #57 on:** March 04, 2007, 01:23:38 AM »

Holy PMS, batman.

Masherbrum · « **Reply #58 on:** March 04, 2007, 01:26:48 AM »

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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Holy PMS, batman.

Nah, just finally seeing the light.

SlapShot · « **Reply #59 on:** March 04, 2007, 08:05:17 AM »

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Originally posted by Widewing
No need for a trial.... The Ki-61 cannot out-turn a Spitfire Mk.V, not even close.

One pilot may out-turn another, but given equal pilots, the Ki-61 is toast.

My regards,

Widewing

I took the 61 back up and gave it a run ... not that I would ever doubt you ...

... but you are right ... it lost it's turning teeth ...

... which is a shame.